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      12-03-2012, 10:45 AM   #177
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I don't think so, the A5 has acceptable proportions but the styling on this is fundamentally wrong. The proportions, esp the front end, is even worse than the F07.
I agree. I'm not a fan of A5 Sportback but this 3GT makes the Audi look a lot better!
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It makes the GT 5 series look like a work of art.

I don't think there is a better example of a car designed by committee. Did some little guy in the back of the conference room stand up and say "You know, that cars needs a little v-notch vent behind the front wheel." Then another guy stood up and said "Sure, we'll give you your v notch, but we're taking away the Hofmeister kink!"
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-Looks longer than the 5GT for some reason. I guess its the roofline.

-Looks remarkably like the Honda Crosstour

-I like the standard bumper

-The M-Sport Bumper reminds me a lot of the E60 M5, which is good.

-Overall it still looks like a cancerous tumor, although not as much as the 5GT.
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Is that a small ///M badge above the quarter panel side vent? Like where the "Modern" badge would be on the other car.

On paper, this is car I'd like considering my preference for sedans and a growing need for space (kids). I loved the form of my old Mazda 6 hatch.

It's better than the 5GT but I'd take a 335 touring any day over this.
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Since the wagons are not available in NA with the N55 and manual transmission, I'm hoping these might.
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Quite fugly. If anybody was worried that BMW wasn't a full appliance maker not they are reassured...
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It looks nicer than the 5GT or the Crosstour, but that's not much of a compliment. It's not a very pretty car at all, is it?
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Well said sir. You yank haters sound like petulant kids you know. You should grow up and get over yourselves and stop trying to dictate to the world that YOUR opinion of a car is the only one that counts. Thank God BMW don't listen to you muppets and keeps coming up with new models to satisfy even more customers.

If you don't like it: fine. But don't come out with stupid comments like BMW are diluting their brand and this isn't a BMW and how dare they. You just sound a bit ... well, a bit retarded really. Like you can't think past your own nose.
It's goes beyond our style/tastes. We know vs. the Europe and Asia, NA is [b]not[/n] successful market for the 5-Series GT (unless someone can give me numbers that even try to make it a good seller here). Our problem, on top, of the ugly looks is that BMW keeps sending models here that we don't want but cars that would sell well we don't even see - any M3 limited editions (the real ones like the GTS, CSL), how about some more diesel options? How about BMW send those to help their bottom line instead of the 3erGT and 5erGT.

If they're successful in other parts of the world, cool, give it to them but give us options that we would consider.
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BMW doesn't go out and shoot their own commercials. Their business is making cars, and they hire other companies whose business it is to shoot commercials to do that for them. So what if that company uses an ML as a camera car?
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Our problem, on top, of the ugly looks is that BMW keeps sending models here that we don't want
Really? Man, BMW must be run by squirrels or something. Or maybe starfish Can you honestly quantify that? They keep sending models to north America which don't sell? Really? Really really?
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I'm a fan, but I liked the 5GT too.
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The "backward 7"/"boomerang" vent things on this and the 4 series are the worst styling feature by far. They look completely tacked on. I'm REALLY glad they aren't on the F30.

Take those off and reshape the rear end a little and I think it looks fine for what it is actually.
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The "backward 7"/"boomerang" vent things on this and the 4 series are the worst styling feature by far. They look completely tacked on.
Agreed. They look like what street urchins do to their Citroen Saxos around here.
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Much negativity but again no one listens.
The auto industry is a global playing field. This is no longer about you.

BMW used to be a predictable car company we only made exciting cars for the enthusiast driver yet neglected the needs and demands from other customers for exciting cars to allow them to fullfill their daily requirements.

The X5 was the first step out of predictability and then we took other giant steps with the 1er , X3 , X1 , X6 and 5er GT because we found there were customers out there who we did not cater too and we can provide those needs with the BMW philosophy and added style.

These cars might be dismissed by brand enthusiasts and traditionalists but they do exactly what BMW needs them to do and that is provide business growth. BMW's global perspective has increased it has entered new markets and heavily penetrated the worlds largest market for luxury vehicles - China where it over took the US as BMW no 1 export market.
BMW is also experiencing a strong sales reaction within growing markets of India and Brazil markets that are emerging for auto makers.

BMW is well aware of US reaction to the 5er GT just as it is aware that even in the US the car does have a customer base enough to make the 5er GT sell its first year on the market - three years worth of combined units of the BMW 5er Touring (E61).

The car has done well within Europe and has seen an increase of units thanks to the introduction of a super-efficient 520d model. GT customers do not cater to adopt the opinions of other people. The 3er GT will bring prospective ownership to a new segment and we have to consider business customers aswell as new to the brand customers which our research had shown where the larger majority base that bought the 5er GT.

One market where the GT has excelled is China , on the streets of Europe a GT and a Mercedes-Benz R-Klasse are a rarity, not in China they are not.
GT customers in China choose it over the higher status of the Chinese only market 5er Li. The 3er Li which went on sale this past few months is also dominating the market and the 3er GT will also be available for Chinese customers.

The 5er Gran Turismo did not exactly win universal praise . But I have one and there is a dedicated forum here for owners , including from the US who can actually voice their opinion on why they chose the 5er GT. Or actually they cant because they become drowned out.

The GT series is a car that extends the customers option of a sedan,Touring, SAV and a MPV in one package but the car excells more in its excellent top-flight cabin and refinement heavily overlooked because of reaction to the exterior.

The 3er GT is an extension off of the architecture that sits under the new range of BMW's primarily F20 and F30 , the car is entirely cost effective to manufacturer from an economic perspective. BMW's CEO has publically claimed that the 3er GT is a car that will provide a substantial return because its development is already bought and paid for.

The 3er GT features more than the 5er GT its less business-like and retains the priotities of a 3er meaning that there will be areas for the keen to driver to exploit as per the segment. For what the 5er and 3er Gran Turismo represent is that for the customer they can have that much needed functionality and flexibility but with more style and individuality.

As long as there are new niches to exploit and new markets to explore BMW will continue to expand on the opportunity to appeal to a global audience.
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Not really feelin this one. Anyone else?
Right here, dude. Not at all.
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Much negativity but again no one listens.
The auto industry is a global playing field. This is no longer about you.

BMW used to be a predictable car company we only made exciting cars for the enthusiast driver yet neglected the needs and demands from other customers for exciting cars to allow them to fullfill their daily requirements.

The X5 was the first step out of predictability and then we took other giant steps with the 1er , X3 , X1 , X6 and 5er GT because we found there were customers out there who we did not cater too and we can provide those needs with the BMW philosophy and added style.

These cars might be dismissed by brand enthusiasts and traditionalists but they do exactly what BMW needs them to do and that is provide business growth. BMW's global perspective has increased it has entered new markets and heavily penetrated the worlds largest market for luxury vehicles - China where it over took the US as BMW no 1 export market.
BMW is also experiencing a strong sales reaction within growing markets of India and Brazil markets that are emerging for auto makers.

BMW is well aware of US reaction to the 5er GT just as it is aware that even in the US the car does have a customer base enough to make the 5er GT sell its first year on the market - three years worth of combined units of the BMW 5er Touring (E61).

The car has done well within Europe and has seen an increase of units thanks to the introduction of a super-efficient 520d model. GT customers do not cater to adopt the opinions of other people. The 3er GT will bring prospective ownership to a new segment and we have to consider business customers aswell as new to the brand customers which our research had shown where the larger majority base that bought the 5er GT.

One market where the GT has excelled is China , on the streets of Europe a GT and a Mercedes-Benz R-Klasse are a rarity, not in China they are not.
GT customers in China choose it over the higher status of the Chinese only market 5er Li. The 3er Li which went on sale this past few months is also dominating the market and the 3er GT will also be available for Chinese customers.

The 5er Gran Turismo did not exactly win universal praise . But I have one and there is a dedicated forum here for owners , including from the US who can actually voice their opinion on why they chose the 5er GT. Or actually they cant because they become drowned out.

The GT series is a car that extends the customers option of a sedan,Touring, SAV and a MPV in one package but the car excells more in its excellent top-flight cabin and refinement heavily overlooked because of reaction to the exterior.

The 3er GT is an extension off of the architecture that sits under the new range of BMW's primarily F20 and F30 , the car is entirely cost effective to manufacturer from an economic perspective. BMW's CEO has publically claimed that the 3er GT is a car that will provide a substantial return because its development is already bought and paid for.

The 3er GT features more than the 5er GT its less business-like and retains the priotities of a 3er meaning that there will be areas for the keen to driver to exploit as per the segment. For what the 5er and 3er Gran Turismo represent is that for the customer they can have that much needed functionality and flexibility but with more style and individuality.

As long as there are new niches to exploit and new markets to explore BMW will continue to expand on the opportunity to appeal to a global audience.
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Hideous or not... I fail to see where this car fits... a fatter 5 series? Well get an X5 then? A fatter 3 series, get an X3? Where is this car supposed to appeal?
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BMW doesn't go out and shoot their own commercials. Their business is making cars, and they hire other companies whose business it is to shoot commercials to do that for them. So what if that company uses an ML as a camera car?
Guess you were right. When you're in a business pimpin a girl this butt ugly, no pun intended, you really don't care who takes her "beauty shots"
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Hideous or not... I fail to see where this car fits... a fatter 5 series? Well get an X5 then? A fatter 3 series, get an X3? Where is this car supposed to appeal?
It's a hatchback. You're from Manchester so you've heard of them, yeah? That's probably because there are 10 times as many hatchbacks as saloons in the UK. Well that's what this is. It's a 3 series hatchback. Now you see where it fits in?
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