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      04-25-2015, 06:23 PM   #1
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So first the GS takes out the 3 series in a road test. Next the new NX takes first place vs the X3. I recently drove a new F sport version of the RX and it was night and day vs the older model RX.

I was in Japan last week and stopped in at the flagship Tokyo Lexus dealership. In their home market they do really cool things for their customers. (1) They had an "Individual" studio at the dealership with examples of wheels, leather, paint, seats for people to pick through. Was like a design studio. You could even try the little wheels on a scale model of the car. So cool. (2) They had a full size display where you could pick from 6 different interior "environments". Each environment had a full sized seat, the dash, a door panel and the steering wheel displayed for each. Far more customized than picking just the leather color or the trim type. I also saw an RC coupe on the floor with a carbon fiber option (hood, roof and trunk) that can be factory ordered and an incredible interior. If lexus fixes the weight issue in the RC it could be a reasonable competitor for a 435. Plus they have the LFA. My thought was if Toyota ever gets really serious about the performance segment in the US we would have more/better choices to drive. I'll post some pics when I get home.
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Great! Does that mean you'll soon be buying a Lexus and leaving this BMW forum?!!!
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Didn't read your entire paragraph, but why is there no mention of the M3, since that is BMW's performance bread and butter.
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Too bad Lexus cars are so UGLY!

The current generation has hideous headlights and weird shapes.

They are going to look dated fast.
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Lexus...the name alone turns me off
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Next the new NX takes first place vs the X3.
1st Place in what?
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If the RC (350) could be a reasonable competitor to the 435 as you state, Lexus better considerably bump the power. As it stands now, the 350 is more in line with the 428 but with much added weight.

Even the M4 competing (laughable) RC F only traps 113, slower than a 2008 E92 M3.
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If the RC (350) could be a reasonable competitor to the 435 as you state, Lexus better considerably bump the power. As it stands now, the 350 is more in line with the 428 but with much added weight.

Even the M4 competing (laughable) RC F only traps 113, slower than a 2008 E92 M3.
My point was that Toyota has tremendous resources and it looks like they are starting to address the performance segment. I didn't say that their cars today are as good as or better than BMWs. I'm sharing not making judgements. Agreed that Lexus has a lot of work to do on their cars but the NX is a great 1st effort at a segment dominated by the X3. Let's see where it goes. How cool would it be if our BMW dealerships had an Individual studio where we could pick materials in person? Maybe if Lexus does that BMW would too.
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Lexus has been making great strides in the performance category ever since Akio decided to make that push. Maybe they aren't quite there yet but they will be. The current generation of Lexus cars are solid options in their respective categories, I'd expect them to only get better
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Lexus has taken a step back in my opinion.

Is-f was a good start but rc-f is too heavy. Latest Is350 is slower than f30 328.

Unfortunately, i think my f30 335 is trending more in lexus direction with soft option 704 suspension (and labeling it as "m sport suspension" to add insult to injury) .. Hope the lci makes a change...
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Lexus seems to keeping following the "if it ain't broken don't fix it model." Nothing but styling gets development since it's probably the cheapest to do. However, they never been as sport as they are now. Lexus is definitely trying and that's good for everyone including BMW.
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Lexus seems to keeping following the "if it ain't broken don't fix it model." Nothing but styling gets development since it's probably the cheapest to do. However, they never been as sport as they are now. Lexus is definitely trying and that's good for everyone including BMW.
Honestly, the true comp is coming from Cadillac. The ATS doesn't sell, but the ATS-V is a business focused performer.

Caddy seems to be the one that will have BMW looking over its shoulder one day.

Lexus makes totally different cars, they originally chased Caddy and Benz, so their DNA is softer and on the luxury side.

If you want Japanese luxury performance, Acura is your car, followed by Infiniti. Some will even say that I have that backwards; I'm bias towards Honda because I love them. :-).

Have said it before; anyone who gets behind the wheel of a Lexus and enjoys the drive, wasn't really a BMW driver anyway, so please get the Lexus.

Soft drivers and their soft demands are ruining BMW. I want them all to self-evict.
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Honestly, the true comp is coming from Cadillac. The ATS doesn't sell, but the ATS-V is a business focused performer.

Caddy seems to be the one that will have BMW looking over its shoulder one day.

Lexus makes totally different cars, they originally chased Caddy and Benz, so their DNA is softer and on the luxury side.

If you want Japanese luxury performance, Acura is your car, followed by Infiniti. Some will even say that I have that backwards; I'm bias towards Honda because I love them. :-).

Have said it before; anyone who gets behind the wheel of a Lexus and enjoys the drive, wasn't really a BMW driver anyway, so please get the Lexus.

Soft drivers and their soft demands are ruining BMW. I want them all to self-evict.
Isn't this why BMW is worried more about Lexus than Caddy? If BMW is trying to be more things to more people (and record 3 Series sales show it), then wouldn't Lexus, and their sales volume, be more of a threat than Caddy, even though the ATS is more of a true driver's car? Caddy can't get out of its own way--while no one should discount them, they are not going to be a competitive force any time soon. The V-Series limited production vehicles don't have enough volume to be a threat to any brand.
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So first the GS takes out the 3 series in a road test.
I thought the IS was the 3 series rival? When I see a GS commercial they always compare it to the 5 series.

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Honestly, the true comp is coming from Cadillac. The ATS doesn't sell, but the ATS-V is a business focused performer.
It does seem like the caddys are pretty good performers these days. Unfortunately I won't be setting foot into their showrooms until they completely change the styling. Theyve been working the "art and science" design thing for a really long time now and I still hate it as much as when it was first introduced. Judging from their truly terrible sales I suspect I'm not the only one.

Lexus Is coming along too, I think. But they need some new engines and less weight. And lose the godawful spindle grill.
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I thought the IS was the 3 series rival? When I see a GS commercial they always compare it to the 5 series.
You'd be correct.
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[quote=rolltidef32;17808269the ATS-V is a business focused performer.

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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...pe-test-review

Not much better than the RC-F tested numbers
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I worked for lexus for a couple of years and they do have some cool thing going for them but the RC is way to heavy and soft for my taste .the mian competitor for the 3er is the IS250 and 350 and have engines from10 years ago.

the new GS is nice inside but still has that old v6 and they no longer make the v8 but they do have rear wheels steering like the RCF which is very nice but when you see any review about any lexus the reviewer usually goes with BMW
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the new NX is a RAV4 with a lexus badge and nicer interior and a 2.0 turbo that i hope the use in the IS models in the near future.
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