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      12-12-2012, 02:38 PM   #45
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When you are in Sport+ mode, you will see a car-slipping icon showed on display, this is meant the DTC & DSC fully off which is same as hold on 5 seconds on the DTC button on E9x.
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      12-12-2012, 04:57 PM   #46
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No, that is not correct. As many posts have stated, DSC remains on with DTC activated.

We must view DTC as a version of DSC, within, or sub-function of DSC.

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Exactly.

The "confusion" for me regards the use of "sport and sport+" driver modes, then shutting DSC off.
It would have been more informative if the dash were to show the driver mode PLUS the DSC OFF, but I can't see both at the same time on my dash.
Maybe it's because I don't have the "extended gauge cluster"?

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      12-12-2012, 05:49 PM   #47
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When you are in Sport+ mode, you will see a car-slipping icon showed on display, this is meant the DTC & DSC fully off which is same as hold on 5 seconds on the DTC button on E9x.
Sport+ does NOT fully disengage/turn off DSC.
When Sport+ is selected DTC is activated by default. To turn DSC off you have to use the DSC button.
Remember, DTC is a part, subset program, of DSC. DTC is a more "relaxed" version of DSC, allowing the driver to drive the car in a more dynamic manner before DTC/DSC intervene.

When you put the driver mode into sport+ DTC is activated.
DYNAMIC Traction Control is now active.
This will allow more wheel spin so that one can get their car unstuck in say snow, sand, mud or wherever one needs the drive wheels to keep spinning.
Also, DYNAMIC Traction control allows a harder launch from a standing start by allowing the rear tires to spin, WITHOUT cutting throttle.

DTC also allows a greater degree of rear end drift before the full functionality of DSC intervenes. When DSC is fully on it will step in fairly early if it detects a rear end drift/over steer.
With Sport+, DTC is activated, it will now allow a greater degree of rear end drift/over steer, along with wheel spin, before it intervenes. This is a more "DYNAMIC" level of stability and traction control.

Again, selecting sport+ is sport mode PLUS "+" DTC. The + being DTC is now added/activated along with the sport settings.

This is not the same as holding the DSC button.
When you push and hold that button for 5 seconds, DSC, is now full disengaged/deactivated.

From the manual:
SPORT
Consistently sporty control of the shock absorbers
for greater driving agility.

SPORT+
Consistently sporty control of the shock absorbers
for greater driving agility when driving with
limited driving stabilization.


Note: Sport+ has "limited" driving stabilization, less intervention or DTC.

According to the manual, it does say that you can be in
Sport+ and have DSC OFF.

From the manual:
SPORT+
Sporty driving with optimized chassis and suspension
with limited driving stabilization.
The driver handles several of the stabilization
tasks.
-This is sport mode + DTC

Activating SPORT+
Press the button (Driver Experience Switch) repeatedly until
SPORT+ appears in the instrument
cluster and the DSC OFF indicator lamp lights
up.
-This states the Sport+ with DSC OFF is possible.
However, in my gauge cluster, which is not the extended type, I can see "Sport+" light up when I switch to it. Then, I hold the DSC button until I see "DSC OFF". But, I can't see both indications lit up together as they take up the same space.

I'll have to take a closer look and make sure.

Still, this seems to indicate that if you set driver mode to Sport+ and then turn DSC off, then you will be in Sport + DSC off.


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      12-12-2012, 06:21 PM   #48
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Where are you getting these descriptions? They're much more detailed than what the manual has!
BMW Media Information. Much more detailed in description of the technical aspects than the user manuals. But still often limited in the finer detail.

BMW TV is also a useful place to get descriptions of the option functions.

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      12-12-2012, 06:23 PM   #49
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Note: Sport+ has "limited" driving stabilization, less intervention or DTC.

According to the manual, it does say that you can be in
Sport+ and have DSC OFF.

From the manual:
SPORT+
Sporty driving with optimized chassis and suspension
with limited driving stabilization.
The driver handles several of the stabilization
tasks.
-This is sport mode + DTC

Activating SPORT+
Press the button (Driver Experience Switch) repeatedly until
SPORT+ appears in the instrument
cluster and the DSC OFF indicator lamp lights
up.
-This states the Sport+ with DSC OFF is possible.
However, in my gauge cluster, which is not the extended type, I can see "Sport+" light up when I switch to it. Then, I hold the DSC button until I see "DSC OFF". But, I can't see both indications lit up together as they take up the same space.

I'll have to take a closer look and make sure.

Still, this seems to indicate that if you set driver mode to Sport+ and then turn DSC off, then you will be in Sport + DSC off.

I believe what OP is trying to find out is Sport+ with both DSC and DTC off. One track day I tried to figure this out but couldn't so I just kept it in Sport+.

Everythime I hold the traction button for like 5 seconds it switches the car back to comfort mode not a good mode to be in on the track.
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      12-12-2012, 06:29 PM   #50
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When you are in Sport+ mode, you will see a car-slipping icon showed on display, this is meant the DTC & DSC fully off which is same as hold on 5 seconds on the DTC button on E9x.
In the F10 with full panel display, when you switch to Sport+ you get the yellow DSC icon, plus the information in red Dynamic Traction Control Activated, along side a white DTC icon.

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      12-12-2012, 10:35 PM   #51
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Still, this seems to indicate that if you set driver mode to Sport+ and then turn DSC off, then you will be in Sport + DSC off.
Try changing modes and using the button when you have mode change display enabled in the iDrive settings. It gives more detail. Based on what that shows me, when you hit or hold down the button, you're no longer in SPORT, COMFORT, or ECOPRO. You're in a whole new mode, and the iDrive describes it.
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      05-06-2014, 10:34 AM   #52
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I'm going to resurrect this thread. has anyone figured out a way to code DSC OFF while maintaining all other sport settings. In my 435i I can hold the DSC button for 5 seconds to disable DSC; however, throttle response is no longer in sport.
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      12-14-2017, 04:21 PM   #53
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The exhaust tone is noticeably different and there is significant overrun burble in Sport/Sport+ mode that isn't there at all in Comfort and Eco. My exhaust valve is wired open at all times, it's clearly not from the valve being opened or closed...overrun burbles/pops are from additional unburnt fuel igniting in the exhaust system...clearly more is changing than just linearity of throttle response to induce the overrun burble and I would be surprised if the addition of the burble sound is just a superficial change to make Sport/Sport+ "appear sportier." Here is a perfect example of the change in this video...in the beginning they rev in Comfort mode and there is no burble/pop, but at the 50 second mark they change to Sport+ and it's a completely different sound...

Whether or not the difference between comfort and sport is just throttle response/linearity and the exhaust burble is only cosmetic to make it feel sportier...it's no less annoying to not have the option to have sport drivetrain settings with DSC and DTC completely off. I have tried every method, and every time it will revert back to "normal" or "comfort" drivetrain settings...blunted throttle response and the burbling exhaust sounds disappear.

This is because of the Change in the synthetic fake exhaust thru the speakers becoming more agressive
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      12-14-2017, 04:32 PM   #54
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I would like an option for both dsc and dtc in sport +. I found that there's not much difference at highway speed in sport though when shifting manually. Throttle response is about the same so I use sport + on surface streets and sport at highway speed so I can take corners with a little more confidence without sacrificing much in the way of performance and throttle response. I keep chassis in sport on sport mode.
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      12-14-2017, 08:29 PM   #55
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DSC off mode intentionally uses the comfort throttle map to give the better sensitivity for needed throttle modulation on track. That's the way it is and it cannot be changed. Sport is essentially just a bullshit setting that tricks up the throttle. With no stability control, you want that smooth throttle application and not mashing of it.

See 2nd to last post here .. I spent a month in DSC off mode and went through the same confusion. But it makes sense .. kinda. Custom modes would be nice. I don't have the suspension but for me the steering had the fake heavy feel of sport in DSC off. It was just the throttle was soft.

DSC off kills the I can't drive an mt revmatching but the blipps had to be very hard and heavy with the comfort throttle. Coding it out and sport mode day to day is better.


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      12-14-2017, 10:00 PM   #56
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For me it seems that comfort mode has a lag in throttle response when pressing the throttle from a dead stop before the car accelerates. This is true in sport mode as well. Comfort mode also has too much body roll.
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November post: As soon as I get in the car I put everything in sport plus mode and turn the traction control all the way off.

December post: Can anyone recommend a good body shop in my area?

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      12-15-2017, 04:24 PM   #58
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November post: As soon as I get in the car I put everything in sport plus mode and turn the traction control all the way off.

December post: Can anyone recommend a good body shop in my area?

Lol....also turning off traction control puts it into comfort mode.
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      12-16-2017, 12:40 AM   #59
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I think I've found my happy mode. Instead of changing to Sport or Sport +, I simply push on the DSC button once to disable DSC but leave DTC on. In this mode, the throttle response feels linear but sharper. It's as if there is less electronic intervention going on. It's quite a different from Sports mode, which feels too artificial and less modulate-able. Strangely, my adaptive dampers also feel firmer, but not as firm as when I have it in Sport/Sport+. Steering weighting is still Comfort-like.

Has anyone observed this in their 335i? The downside is, cruise control is disabled.
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