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      02-18-2013, 03:14 PM   #1
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Why does BMW downgrade turn signals to non-LED for new models?

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If you remember, the last E46 2005 3-Series had LED brake lights and LED rear turn signals. The first 2006 E90s has incandescent or standard bulp rear turn and brake lights. The facelifted E92 2009-2011 has LED rear turns, brakes and front turns. Now the brand spanking new F30s have (you guessed it) reverted back to incandescent or standard bulp rear turn and brake lights.

Am I the only idiot that is bothered by this downgrade in technology? Why does BMW do this? Do they think that the shiny new model design is enough to make us forget they screwed us on the on the LED lights which are brighter, safer, more efficient and just plain look better?
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I've noticed this too! Other Manufacturers also seem to do this and leave things for the facelift models. Very Annoying
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So that when you get the LEDs on the the LCI you feel like it's added value

It's been pretty much the same story with adding LEDs to LCI and then remove them with the E39 and E60. So it looks to me this is a strategy.
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As I recall, the E46 COUPES had LED lights; I think all of the sedans were incandescent. Haven't seen an F30 Coupe yet, but my 2007 E92 has incandescents. Haven't checked the F30, as it isn't due to be at the dealer's until next week, but I'll look. I'd expect the F30 335i to have LED units, though. If not, it's not that big a deal, although I'd much prefer the LEDs.
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I'd expect the F30 335i to have LED units, though. If not, it's not that big a deal, although I'd much prefer the LEDs.
F30 has LED 'rear lights' aka light bars, but regular bulb brake and turn signals.
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F30 has LED 'rear lights' aka light bars, but regular bulb brake and turn signals.
Well, that's a bummer! I'd think brake lights would be the same as the regular tail lights. I'm sure there'll be an upgrade kit available soon, though. At least the angel eyes are LED now.
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Well, that's a bummer! I'd think brake lights would be the same as the regular tail lights. I'm sure there'll be an upgrade kit available soon, though. At least the angel eyes are LED now.
Someone will probably come out with LED replacements.. but that is risky IMO. LEDs can produce heat/voltages/errors that the standard bulb systems weren't designed for. And when it comes to something like brake lights, it seems like a safety risk. I'll stick with bulbs. After all, I'll never see 'em

LED halos are a HUGE upgrade. Those suckers are bright. No aftermarket E90 or pre-LCI E92/E93 version comes close to what's on the F30.
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Well, that's a bummer! I'd think brake lights would be the same as the regular tail lights. I'm sure there'll be an upgrade kit available soon, though. At least the angel eyes are LED now.
I think someone mentioned to me that the center brake signal is LED. At least there's that. Relatively easy to replace with LED bulbs but it's still not the same nor should that be a necessary process.
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As I recall, the E46 COUPES had LED lights; I think all of the sedans were incandescent.
Not until LCI; I had a 2001 e46 330Ci, no LED.
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... so that they can make money ...
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Lightbulb There's an easy answer to that...

These....

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So that when you get the LEDs on the the LCI you feel like it's added value

It's been pretty much the same story with adding LEDs to LCI and then remove them with the E39 and E60. So it looks to me this is a strategy.
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... so that they can make money ...
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BMW's marketing at their best..
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Product life cycle management... Besides, by the time LCI comes out, base MSRP will be higher by then...
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So what will be the LCI? 2014 MY coming out this summer?
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Someone will probably come out with LED replacements.. but that is risky IMO. LEDs can produce heat/voltages/errors that the standard bulb systems weren't designed for. And when it comes to something like brake lights, it seems like a safety risk. I'll stick with bulbs. After all, I'll never see 'em

LED halos are a HUGE upgrade. Those suckers are bright. No aftermarket E90 or pre-LCI E92/E93 version comes close to what's on the F30.
LEDs are already available; plug/play and no errors.

Personally, I HATE the LED turn signals on the E90/F10 and I'm glad they left it off the F30. They look like wasp hives.

The whole dotted LED lights are passe now. Audi and BMW's new LED DRLs are stunningly beautiful; they just need to integrate that tech into the rest of the lights.
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Someone will probably come out with LED replacements.. but that is risky IMO. LEDs can produce heat/voltages/errors that the standard bulb systems weren't designed for. And when it comes to something like brake lights, it seems like a safety risk. I'll stick with bulbs. After all, I'll never see 'em

LED halos are a HUGE upgrade. Those suckers are bright. No aftermarket E90 or pre-LCI E92/E93 version comes close to what's on the F30.
Yes the LED halos are awesome! Can't believe how bright they are.
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Personally, I HATE the LED turn signals on the E90/F10 and I'm glad they left it off the F30. They look like wasp hives.

The whole dotted LED lights are passe now. Audi and BMW's new LED DRLs are stunningly beautiful; they just need to integrate that tech into the rest of the lights.
YES YES YES!!!!!!!!! I'm so glad you said this. I was starting to think I was the only one. I'm very happy that I DON'T have LED turn signals.
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Agreed. I want to see the light, not the light "bulbs."
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The whole dotted LED lights are passe now.
Yes, to me they mean Kia, tractor/trailers, etc.
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Obviously I'm a huge fan boy, but the DRL's on the A5/S5/RS5 are the absolute tits

Angle eyes are also wicked, love seeing them in oncoming traffic...I think a part of me dies inside when I see a 328 w/o the light package...although not sure if I like new 4 series concept headlights, saw them in person and couldn't decide.
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So what will be the LCI? 2014 MY coming out this summer?
The F30 was just went on sale last February. If BMW goes according to their usual LCI schedule, it will be MY2016, so quite a wait.
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Obviously I'm a huge fan boy, but the DRL's on the A5/S5/RS5 are the absolute tits

Angle eyes are also wicked, love seeing them in oncoming traffic...I think a part of me dies inside when I see a 328 w/o the light package...although not sure if I like new 4 series concept headlights, saw them in person and couldn't decide.
Agree, F30's without Xenon lights look terrible! I still can't believe BMW NA is using the Estoril Blue M-Sport 328i without Xenons in their ads right now.
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