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      01-18-2014, 03:08 AM   #1
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8 Speed Guys - What Modes Do You Prefer?

5 days in with this car and I'm kind of digging discovering which transmission/drive mode combos are ideal for various terrain/situations. Just curious to see which modes/combos other 8 speed people prefer. Coming from a few decades of the Grapes of Wrath era massive wiener, MANual transmission, I'm actually pretty down with the versatility and options of the 8 speed vs. the one trick pony I got so used to. Although I'm expecting some instant trolling from Snow Ghost king of the 3 pedal tap dance, I'm not trying to start another one of those threads, at all.

So far I've narrowed it down to the following:

City cruising/moderate traffic/flatlands: Comfort mode/Drive. It seems like regardless of drive setting, sport, comfort or eco, the suspension still comfortable regardless of M-sport pkg and 18's vs. my GTI which felt like a horse-drawn carriage at times. Still the handling is sharp and precise and as far as grip, RWD and summers go w/out saying. But as far as transmission behavior and throttle response, 'D' + comfort is generally fine for these conditions. Throttle has a little mush but all and all it's fine. Shifts are seamless and quick but it's still pretty much in the right gear most of the time and will kick down if needed with little fuss. Easy to knock it over to sport for quick kick down etc. as well. I think some of the slight mush I feel in regular Drive and comfort is due to a minor power deficit that will be remedied with the Stage 1 or 2 tune, coming soon.


Freeway cruising/cruise control, etc.: Same. Comfort and Drive is fine since knocking over to Sport will automatically kick one gear down. Again, seamless.

City driving with little-to-no traffic; Some hills, sharp turns etc: I'm a production manager at a few major concert venues in L.A. and thus work long, long hours, getting off work around 12a-2a which sees me driving home through a deserted L.A. This is where I loved the manual, that and on back roads, Angeles Crest hwy, etc. I've so far been pretty happy with Sport (what used to be "DS" on the e90) but keeping the comfort setting, since sport + sport is kind of ridiculous besides for WOT straight line acceleration. Holds gears, utilizes engine braking and 90% of the time, stays around 2k - 4k rpms max, keeping me right in the power band, resembling how I would drive w/a standard. Power on tap, throttle pretty sharp. All in all a good mode for 'sharper' driving where you .

Manual mode + Sport Setting: For optimal control with this transmission and sharpest throttle response, manual + sport setting. I don't know how they did it since this is technically a slushbox w/a torque converter but the response time in this mode is practically twin-clutch fast with sharp throttle etc. feels the most 'like a 3 series'.

Worst combos: 'D' + the sport drive mode just feels awkward and jerky. EcoPro feels like pushing the throttle through peanut butter. Fine for bumper to bumper etc. but otherwise useless.

That's about it.
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      01-18-2014, 05:02 AM   #2
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I generally just use comfort mode. With the diesel there is ample torque at low rpms to negate the need to have sport mode hold me in a gear longer.
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Good sum up. I do use Eco when in conditions where even a lambo could not progress faster due to traffic. Saves some juice and I don't get there any slower. But agree its sluggish

One thing I find strange is that sport in 'd' seems quicker than sport with 's' (when pushing the lever sideways) plus leaving the paddles alone. Any techy person confirm ratio/response agrees with that statement. Does not sound right to me
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These days I'm most often in Sport. Sport+ and DS mode when I feel more aggressive. I prefer the harder suspension and the throttle mapping of Sport over Comfort. Eco Pro is non-existent as far as I'm concerned.
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I'm getting into a F32 from an E92. What is the difference from putting the gear selector to the left in the F32, to putting it in sport?
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One thing I find strange is that sport in 'd' seems quicker than sport with 's' (when pushing the lever sideways) plus leaving the paddles alone. Any techy person confirm ratio/response agrees with that statement. Does not sound right to me
In my 535i when I'm in Sport mode and move the stick to DS mode, the gear box drops another gear. So rather than one ratio lower, it is now two gears lower at about 60 mph cruising speed.

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Im driving manual in S+ at all times...I love it, especially with the addition of the exhaust.
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^^Since I have 320 I only have the regular ZF 8 speed step, not the sport automatic. I wonder how Sport + compares to regular sport on mine? Yeah manual mode with the sport mode selected is really impressive in terms of speed of shifts, throttle response and control.

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I generally just use comfort mode. With the diesel there is ample torque at low rpms to negate the need to have sport mode hold me in a gear longer.
Yeah, the 328d has a lot of low end. I find comfort mode to generally be the smoothest in terms of transmission behavior and will probably use it more after I get Stage 1 since it'll add a decent amount of torque.

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In my 535i when I'm in Sport mode and move the stick to DS mode, the gear box drops another gear. So rather than one ratio lower, it is now two gears lower at about 60 mph cruising speed.

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Mine too. I like the instant drop a gear w/out having to kickdown or anything. Comfort mode and putting the lever in the sport gate drops it down to 7th gear and sport drops down to 6th since sport locks out 8th gear even @ freeway speeds. Makes freeway passing pretty seamless.
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Staying in D while in Sport is just as wonky in the 328i. Best to go manual if you want to drive this car in a sporting fashion. I agree that ECO PRO is just annoying outside of being stuck in traffic.

I am Comfort / D for 95% of my driving and Sport / Manual the other 5%.

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5 days in with this car and I'm kind of digging discovering which transmission/drive mode combos are ideal for various terrain/situations. Just curious to see which modes/combos other 8 speed people prefer. Coming from a few decades of the Grapes of Wrath era massive wiener, MANual transmission, I'm actually pretty down with the versatility and options of the 8 speed vs. the one trick pony I got so used to. Although I'm expecting some instant trolling from Snow Ghost king of the 3 pedal tap dance, I'm not trying to start another one of those threads, at all.

So far I've narrowed it down to the following:

City cruising/moderate traffic/flatlands: Comfort mode/Drive. It seems like regardless of drive setting, sport, comfort or eco, the suspension still comfortable regardless of M-sport pkg and 18's vs. my GTI which felt like a horse-drawn carriage at times. Still the handling is sharp and precise and as far as grip, RWD and summers go w/out saying. But as far as transmission behavior and throttle response, 'D' + comfort is generally fine for these conditions. Throttle has a little mush but all and all it's fine. Shifts are seamless and quick but it's still pretty much in the right gear most of the time and will kick down if needed with little fuss. Easy to knock it over to sport for quick kick down etc. as well. I think some of the slight mush I feel in regular Drive and comfort is due to a minor power deficit that will be remedied with the Stage 1 or 2 tune, coming soon.


Freeway cruising/cruise control, etc.: Same. Comfort and Drive is fine since knocking over to Sport will automatically kick one gear down. Again, seamless.

City driving with little-to-no traffic; Some hills, sharp turns etc: I'm a production manager at a few major concert venues in L.A. and thus work long, long hours, getting off work around 12a-2a which sees me driving home through a deserted L.A. This is where I loved the manual, that and on back roads, Angeles Crest hwy, etc. I've so far been pretty happy with Sport (what used to be "DS" on the e90) but keeping the comfort setting, since sport + sport is kind of ridiculous besides for WOT straight line acceleration. Holds gears, utilizes engine braking and 90% of the time, stays around 2k - 4k rpms max, keeping me right in the power band, resembling how I would drive w/a standard. Power on tap, throttle pretty sharp. All in all a good mode for 'sharper' driving where you .

Manual mode + Sport Setting: For optimal control with this transmission and sharpest throttle response, manual + sport setting. I don't know how they did it since this is technically a slushbox w/a torque converter but the response time in this mode is practically twin-clutch fast with sharp throttle etc. feels the most 'like a 3 series'.

Worst combos: 'D' + the sport drive mode just feels awkward and jerky. EcoPro feels like pushing the throttle through peanut butter. Fine for bumper to bumper etc. but otherwise useless.

That's about it.
You don't have adaptive M suspension right?
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You don't have adaptive M suspension right?
My 320i has the sport package which has the M Sport suspension, so I don't thinks so.
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I set my 335i up so comfort/sport only affects the suspension, not the transmission/throttle (I have DHP).

I use comfort whenever I have passengers, and flip the tranny to sport mode when I know I'll need extra oomph, usually when I'm about to get on a highway on-ramp.

Driving solo I usually use sport mode on surface streets and comfort on the highway, and do the same thing with the tranny sport mode when I need power.
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Interesting that no one has mentioned using ECO PRO for long highway journeys. It would seem to be ideal for that.
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I set my 335i up so comfort/sport only affects the suspension, not the transmission/throttle (I have DHP).

I use comfort whenever I have passengers, and flip the tranny to sport mode when I know I'll need extra oomph, usually when I'm about to get on a highway on-ramp.

Driving solo I usually use sport mode on surface streets and comfort on the highway, and do the same thing with the tranny sport mode when I need power.
When would you ever 'need power' in that car? Man, so jealous. That's like my long term dream car. Someday. You could roll in EcoPRo all day and smoke my car.

Anyhow, some part of me doesn't want to just surrender to using manual mode in sport around town even though that's easily the most satisfying and entertaining mode of operation. Almost like I'm trusting the transmission to be good enough on it's own and it's almost good enough, but leaving an automatic to do it's own thing is never quite good enough. This is the compromise any enthusiast who gets an automatic makes. Luckily with this transmission, the compromise is minor.

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Interesting that no one has mentioned using ECO PRO for long highway journeys. It would seem to be ideal for that.
Yeah I think if you are locked into cruise control on a long trip Eco Pro is the way to go but I haven't had a chance to test that yet.
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D comfort or D with sport mode. Rarely use the manual mode, I would have gotten a manual if I wanted to shift my own gears. Plus I find the manual mode pretty jerky.
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I'm in DS Sport 95% of the time. I guess I'm in drive when I'm in reverse...

I don't use Eco Pro, because I like don't like the lack of control over the few % savings it provides. In my mind its not as safe. You can obtain most of eco-pro if you just control your foot. What else it gives is a reduction/savings on other things like a/c. But to me that loss in safety is not worth the $3-4 per gas tank on a long trip.
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My 320i has the sport package which has the M Sport suspension, so I don't thinks so.
Well thats why you have the same level of comfort in the suspension "regardless of setting" --> nothing changes when you have passive suspension.

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I just turn all traction off and don't touch anything else. Sometimes il use the manual mode
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Well, since it's winter here and about 50-100cm snow I just put it in Sport mode and use the manual mode. xDrive system does the job
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D comfort or D with sport mode. Rarely use the manual mode, I would have gotten a manual if I wanted to shift my own gears. Plus I find the manual mode pretty jerky.
I actually really like the manual mode. It does a nice job and I haven't found it to be jerky at all. Besides D/Comfort, it's the smoothest mode of operation I've found.
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Usually comfort mode. I switch into Sport when entering the freeway or if I want to have a nice spirited drive.
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I'm in DS Sport 95% of the time. I guess I'm in drive when I'm in reverse...

I don't use Eco Pro, because I like don't like the lack of control over the few % savings it provides. In my mind its not as safe. You can obtain most of eco-pro if you just control your foot. What else it gives is a reduction/savings on other things like a/c. But to me that loss in safety is not worth the $3-4 per gas tank on a long trip.
Yeah EcoPro is pretty awful. The traffic is such a joke in L.A. sometimes though that you literally aren't moving, inching along, in which case, if it saves a little gas, then cool. Otherwise it's useless.
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