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View Poll Results: Is the F31 330d Touring all the 3 Series you would ever need?
Yes 24 20.34%
No, I'll stick with my F30 320i 0 0%
No, I'll stick with my F30 328i 31 26.27%
No, I'll stick with my F30 335i 55 46.61%
No, I'll stick with my F30 ActiveHybrid 3 1 0.85%
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      01-25-2013, 01:51 AM   #23
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Those are European cycle MPGs. Not to mention a 316d is probably slower than a Prius.
No, the 316d is faster than a Prius.
No it's not. Reviews are pegging the 316d's 0-62 at 11.2s and the Prius at 10.4 or 10.9s. They're comparable at best. The BMW probably has it beat on sportiness and connectness but the instantaneous torque does give the Prius an acceleration responsiveness advantage in the city.

Does it matter? I'm not sure, but for the US market, I don't think people are interested in a BMW that can't outrun a 4 cylinder Accord or Corolla.
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No it's not. Reviews are pegging the 316d's 0-62 at 11.2s and the Prius at 10.4 or 10.9s. They're comparable at best. The BMW probably has it beat on sportiness and connectness but the instantaneous torque does give the Prius an acceleration responsiveness advantage in the city.
Where did u get the figure of 11.2s? I know the 316i has been tested to do 0-100 in 8.5s so the 316d should be around 1.5s slower than that to 100. It won't be comparable as the speeds increase. The motor doesn't work thruout the engine's rev range, & with only the engine on it's own the Prius only has 99ps & 142Nm of torque at most.
The total peak power output of the Hybrid drivetrain is not simply the sum of the motor & the engine (in that case it would be 181ps). Toyota use their own calculations & the "system output" is rated at 136ps max.

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No car magazine that I can find has been able to replicate the Toyota 0-60 times. In a recent test the Lexus lt200h (same drivetrain as Prius) was clocked at mid 13's to 60 .....and if you use the cars on motorways at motorway speeds the 316D will run better mpg figures than a prius.
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I think the diesel would've gone down well in the states as the extra torque would balance the fact that the average 25 stone yank would enjoy the full performance of the car and negate the need to diet.... ; D
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Considering my current state of need, the poll is giving me thought, I'll return with a selection after a good night's sleep.
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Voted for the category that bests describes my position. Waiting for the F30/31. Thanks for poll.
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      01-25-2013, 10:03 AM   #28
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Before you speak for everyone, I hope you know that the US hasn't been the largest auto market for 3yrs.
China Ends U.S.ís Reign as Largest Auto Market in 2009
It was very kind of you to dignify that asinine comment with a response.

I use people's understanding of the brilliance of wagons (as family haulers / daily drivers, as opposed to the zenith of automotive perfection) as a guideline for innate intelligence and overall mental aptitude. Of course, you don't need to own one so long as you can process why a wagon makes sense in certain circumstances. It's the vehement chest-thumping of a certain narrow-minded class of individual (as outlined in the initial comment to which the above response was made) that is very sad not only for automotive enthusiasts, but humanity in general .
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I love the wagon-and diesel is what needs to move it

My DREAM car would be M350d - chassis of the F31, engine from the M550d

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Sicker than an AIDS patient with a cold. I'll take it!
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Absolutely. I don't need a high HP sedan masquerading as a "sports car" for those who don't know what a sports car actually is.

It's simple logic that the wagon has the same footprint on the road but is more useful in every single way. And, I think, better-looking.

But it needs to have three pedals.
Yes three pedals! My dad has a slushy E46 wagon, it's practical and handles like you'd expect. But I'd have to have a manual in my wagon.

IIRC there is an E34 M Touring. Now that would have been awesome.
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I think the diesel would've gone down well in the states as the extra torque would balance the fact that the average 25 stone yank would enjoy the full performance of the car and negate the need to diet.... ; D
I vacation in the UK every year and see many, many, many fat Brits. From Dover to the Isle of Skye and everywhere in between there are lots of very pale lard a$$es, so don't be too quick to condemn the States
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These Euros never learn. We in the US don't like soccer and don't want diesels. We're the largest market in the world. If we wanted them, we'd have them. It really is that simple. The numbers speak for themselves.
Speak for yourself. I like both Wagons and Soccer.
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I think the diesel would've gone down well in the states as the extra torque would balance the fact that the average 25 stone yank would enjoy the full performance of the car and negate the need to diet.... ; D
I vacation in the UK every year and see many, many, many fat Brits. From Dover to the Isle of Skye and everywhere in between there are lots of very pale lard a$$es, so don't be too quick to condemn the States
You are right, the US has influenced our diet BUT we have a very very very lonnnnng way to go before we are anywhere near to to you for lAPC (lard arses per capita) ; D
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You are right, the US has influenced our diet BUT we have a very very very lonnnnng way to go before we are anywhere near to to you for lAPC (lard arses per capita) ; D
Limey Lard Arses...
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You are right, the US has influenced our diet BUT we have a very very very lonnnnng way to go before we are anywhere near to to you for lAPC (lard arses per capita) ; D
Not really. You're #3 in the world for obesity. Not much to be a snob about.

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The UK and USA are two countries separated by a common language.
We say tomaato, you say tomaeto. Ours really taste much better as they come from Italy and Spain.

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You are right, the US has influenced our diet BUT we have a very very very lonnnnng way to go before we are anywhere near to to you for lAPC (lard arses per capita) ; D
Not really. You're #3 in the world for obesity. Not much to be a snob about.

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HA! You 24.5 Stone Brits be catching up....!

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Almost nobody in America actually likes wagons or diesels outside a small minority that complains on the internet a lot.
So true! They're not here just for that reason...
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Where's the selection for 335iT 6MT? Not that I can have one, but that's what I would want. I'm all about the wolf in sheep's clothing. Folks have very low expectations when you pull up in a wagon. I'm in the process of building my own E34 M5T. If I ever get around to finishing the S38B38 build anyway.
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Yes three pedals! My dad has a slushy E46 wagon, it's practical and handles like you'd expect. But I'd have to have a manual in my wagon.

IIRC there is an E34 M Touring. Now that would have been awesome.
Yes, you can get grey market E34 M5 Tourings here in the US. It'll run something like $20-$25k. I'm very tempted, but I really want AWD if I'm gonna buy a boat. That's what I don't get about the F30 people who hate on the F31. The F30 is already a big sedan. It's a comfortable sporty DD, not some model of automotive perfection that would be spoiled by being more practical.
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Where's the selection for 335iT 6MT? Not that I can have one, but that's what I would want. I'm all about the wolf in sheep's clothing. Folks have very low expectations when you pull up in a wagon. I'm in the process of building my own E34 M5T. If I ever get around to finishing the S38B38 build anyway.
Yes, we can get the 335i wagon in the UK from March, but I doubt we will see a lot of them in the UK, however good the car is. The diesel will take the bulk of sales due to company car tax implications.

I'm only in a 535i wagon due to not many takers and initial depreciation taking a massive hit, which makes it a viable car to own for lowish annual mileage. Mine is an ex BMW HQ car, over 40% off new list, at just over a year old and less than 6k miles. That is the prudent way to buy into a 335i/535i in the UK.

New 335i/535i cars are not really on the private buyers list either, as diesel still gets the vote. Virtually financial suicide if you don't keep it long term.

Shame, but in the UK larger petrol engines have a very limited market these days.

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