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No, I'll stick with my F30 328i 31 26.27%
No, I'll stick with my F30 335i 55 46.61%
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      01-25-2013, 06:02 PM   #45
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That vehicle (notice I did not say "car"), is a bad alternative to a minivan. It looks like a cross between a hearse and a '70s Pinto.

If you need space an SUV would certainly do the trick better than that.
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Yes, we can get the 335i wagon in the UK from March, but I doubt we will see a lot of them in the UK, however good the car is. The diesel will take the bulk of sales due to company car tax implications.

I'm only in a 535i wagon due to not many takers and initial depreciation taking a massive hit, which makes it a viable car to own for lowish annual mileage. Mine is an ex BMW HQ car, over 40% off new list, at just over a year old and less than 6k miles. That is the prudent way to buy into a 335i/535i in the UK.

New 335i/535i cars are not really on the private buyers list either, as diesel still gets the vote. Virtually financial suicide if you don't keep it long term.

Shame, but in the UK larger petrol engines have a very limited market these days.

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Heck of a deal there on your 335i. Diesel was popular here for a minute due to gas prices, but I'm not so sure there's an advantage anymore.
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Heck of a deal there on your 335i. Diesel was popular here for a minute due to gas prices, but I'm not so sure there's an advantage anymore.
Apparently you've never driven a 335d. You should.
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That vehicle (notice I did not say "car"), is a bad alternative to a minivan. It looks like a cross between a hearse and a '70s Pinto.

If you need space an SUV would certainly do the trick better than that.
Did you really just say you'd rather have a minivan than a touring (wagon)?
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Did you really just say you'd rather have a minivan than a touring (wagon)?
He likes to blend in with the other genericmobiles
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I love the US and love visiting the UK.. Sad to see a few ignorant posts ruining this thread..
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I voted yes. But the fact is that I'd have to buy it for that to be so. If I dispose of my SUV, it'd be a very high contender as the replacement. But then so would the X1 and the X3. At this point, no telling which would win out.
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The main market for diesel in the States is for people who want giant trucks to drive around the city, but want to bump the mileage from 6 to 8 mpg (and a minority that actually use them for legitimate work). lol I seem to remember euro cars showing up with diesel engines in the 80s or some decade long ago, and most Americans got real turned off to diesel cars because of these dirty beasts that required constant maintenance. Every now and then you'll still see an older Mercedes rolling around with the whole bottom rear a grimy black.(correct me if I'm not completely accurate)

As for 3er wagons, they're 'cute', but not for me. I'm more in the SUV or small truck category. If I want to haul that much shit, I also want to be able to go offroad and tow a boat. With the back seats down in my 335i, I have plenty of room for the common occurances (snowboard, groceries, rucksack, etc)

I admire the Europeans for developing better diesel car technology of late, but it's of a necessity that just isn't quite present in the States. Premium petrol is something like euro 1.80/litre in Germany, but with my US fuel card I get it at $1.00/litre. If I had to pay the euro price, I'd be more inclined to get a diesel or at least a smaller motor also. Europeans are also much less likely (it seems) to have more than one car, so the Wagon is prudent for those who need to haul cargo, but want better mileage than an SUV. Us big lard assed* Americans also love to have multiple houses and vehicles, which allows some of us to specialize instead of compromising.

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I love the US and love visiting the UK.. Sad to see a few ignorant posts ruining this thread..
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Agreed...
I think a lot is tongue in cheek though. There will always be ties to our British brethren. Except for driving on the wrong side of the road
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I think a lot is tongue in cheek though. There will always be ties to our British brethren. Except for driving on the wrong side of the road
That's probably true too...
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I think our British friends aimed at tongue and cheek. One of our fellow American's got a little snotty. Otherwise, I have been enjoying this post...
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I nvr understood why someone would consider a touring vs an x
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This has been a very interesting thread!
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Nah, 330D looks cool on paper (and I am a fan of our X5D which the wife drives, great mileage etc so far), but if I am getting a BMW sport coupe for me, it is gonna run on gas and have in inline 6 / 6MT.
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Nah, 330D looks cool on paper (and I am a fan of our X5D which the wife drives, great mileage etc so far), but if I am getting a BMW sport coupe for me, it is gonna run on gas and have in inline 6 / 6MT.
Inline 6 and manual tranny for me as well. I would consider that in a saloon or touring. I'm done with coupes.
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It was very kind of you to dignify that asinine comment with a response.

I use people's understanding of the brilliance of wagons (as family haulers / daily drivers, as opposed to the zenith of automotive perfection) as a guideline for innate intelligence and overall mental aptitude. Of course, you don't need to own one so long as you can process why a wagon makes sense in certain circumstances. It's the vehement chest-thumping of a certain narrow-minded class of individual (as outlined in the initial comment to which the above response was made) that is very sad not only for automotive enthusiasts, but humanity in general .
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A poll for the Yanks.

HERE is what I think you're jealous of. Take a look. Have a play. Our configurator has been spruced up!

Ignore the price (and the build if that's not to your taste), but is this F31 330d Touring M Sport, Sport Automatic the car that you would give up your F30 328i or F30 335i for?

You lot are always going on about how you don't get any "wagons" or diesel cars in the US and often express your jealousy of the EU having plentiful supply.
So with BMW looking to introduce more diesel's and Touring's into the US, is this all the car you could ever want in this class/price range? Maybe a better question is; "Is this all the 3 Series you could ever need?"
Great power, greater torque, greatest efficiency.

I would've been rolling in an F30 330d if it was launched alongside the 320d, 328i and 335i here, but annoyingly, it wasn't available until later, so I went for the 328i. And I'm VERY happy with it. I would just be the happiest if it was a 30d - I miss that torque of my old E90! Not to say the 28i doesn't haul ass - it is faster than my E90 LCI 330d!
Ignore the nonsense about Americans not wanting wagons and diesels, what I want is that BMW configurator!! That is sweet!
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A poll for the Yanks.

HERE is what I think you're jealous of. Take a look. Have a play. Our configurator has been spruced up!

Ignore the price (and the build if that's not to your taste), but is this F31 330d Touring M Sport, Sport Automatic the car that you would give up your F30 328i or F30 335i for?

You lot are always going on about how you don't get any "wagons" or diesel cars in the US and often express your jealousy of the EU having plentiful supply.
So with BMW looking to introduce more diesel's and Touring's into the US, is this all the car you could ever want in this class/price range? Maybe a better question is; "Is this all the 3 Series you could ever need?"
Great power, greater torque, greatest efficiency.

I would've been rolling in an F30 330d if it was launched alongside the 320d, 328i and 335i here, but annoyingly, it wasn't available until later, so I went for the 328i. And I'm VERY happy with it. I would just be the happiest if it was a 30d - I miss that torque of my old E90! Not to say the 28i doesn't haul ass - it is faster than my E90 LCI 330d!
Ignore the nonsense about Americans not wanting wagons and diesels, what I want is that BMW configurator!! That is sweet!
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It was very kind of you to dignify that asinine comment with a response.

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performance?

I have seen some pretty nice looking wagons around here. Every now and then I see a great looking S4 wagon or a 3 Series wagon. I used to like the old saab 9-3x too, but I think those were just subarus. I always find myself envious of the uniqueness and practicality of the car and the somewhat cool statement it makes.... but after I look at the car for a while, I realize that I just don't have any desire to drive a wagon, when SUVs are soo readily available. Our X5 is a great car like drive with more room than any 3 series wagon.

So, what are the performance comparisons between the 330d and the 335i? I don't care about torque numbers or torque feel, as much as I care about the car moving me from point A to point B faster.
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