F30POST
F30POST
2012-2015 BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST > 2012-2019 BMW 3 and 4-Series Forums > General F30 Sedan / F32 Coupe / F36 Gran Coupe Forum > Test drive the IS F?
Extreme Power House
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      02-02-2013, 02:36 PM   #1
HDEddie1
Private First Class
 
HDEddie1's Avatar
 
Drives: '12 F10 550i, '08 E60 528i
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: So Cal

Posts: 140
iTrader: (0)

Test drive the IS F?

Test drove the 2013 IS F.
Horsepower, torque, and handling all come on too easy. And, the exhaust bark is very AMG like.
Maybe a good daily driver alternate to the F30 335i?...any thoughts ?
HDEddie1 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-02-2013, 02:43 PM   #2
DarkTrigger
Professional
 
DarkTrigger's Avatar
 
Drives: 335i MPPK
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: LB, SoCal

Posts: 973
iTrader: (0)

Isn't that car like 70k? I don't think it's compares well to the 335i. Unless you mean the IS 350 F sport?
DarkTrigger is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-02-2013, 02:52 PM   #3
Levi
Brigadier General
 
Levi's Avatar
 
Drives: Alfa Romeo
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Prague

Posts: 3,301
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by HDEddie1 View Post
Test drove the 2013 IS F.
Horsepower, torque, and handling all come on too easy. And, the exhaust bark is very AMG like.
Maybe a good daily driver alternate to the F30 335i?...any thoughts ?
Yes it is a nice car, but not a 335i rival, but M3 rival.
Levi is online now   Czech_Republic
0
Reply With Quote
      02-02-2013, 02:56 PM   #4
jtuds
Major
 
Drives: 335i M Sport
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: 1.5-2 hrs west of Toronto

Posts: 1,064
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by HDEddie1 View Post
Test drove the 2013 IS F.
Horsepower, torque, and handling all come on too easy. And, the exhaust bark is very AMG like.
Maybe a good daily driver alternate to the F30 335i?...any thoughts ?
Are you shopping the 3 series or the M3? Because the ISF is not a competitor to the 3 series. So yeah, is you want more power and torque than any 3 series has, get the ISF.
jtuds is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      02-02-2013, 03:08 PM   #5
300hp
Colonel
 
Drives: X5 & 335xi
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: USA

Posts: 2,861
iTrader: (0)

As a daily driver the 335i is tough to beat given how low you can access the tq and the fuel mileage. Even M3 guys will admit to that. As a tq and hp monster, the is f is in the m3s league
__________________
EBII 2014 335i xDrive
335HP, Sport AT, 19" Wheels, MPE, Prem, Tech, Cold, HK, Driver Assist & DH pkgs

Deep Sea Blue Metallic 2013 X5 35d Sport
Prem, Convenience, Cold and Premium Sound packages
300hp is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-02-2013, 03:35 PM   #6
shivaswrath
Brigadier General
 
shivaswrath's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 335i
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Lost in NJ

Posts: 3,073
iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by HDEddie1
Test drove the 2013 IS F.
Horsepower, torque, and handling all come on too easy. And, the exhaust bark is very AMG like.
Maybe a good daily driver alternate to the F30 335i?...any thoughts ?
Apple...meet Orange.
__________________
2012 335i Mineral Gray
M Performance Whore: PPK|Exhaust|Brakes|Performance Suspension Struts & Springs|LSD|Black Kidney Grilles|CF Spoiler and Mirror Caps|Bav Stage 1|400Ms|BMWF30.com
shivaswrath is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-02-2013, 04:03 PM   #7
GB72
Private First Class
 
Drives: F30 335i M Sport Melbourne red
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: uk

Posts: 136
iTrader: (0)

Na

"The IS-F is a credible effort for a company whose stock in trade is luxury and refinement, and there is much that Lexus has absolutely nailed.

The V8 powerplant stands comparison with any of its rivals and the overall balance of the IS-F’s entertaining and adjustable chassis is wonderful. Those are the basics and they’re spot on.


Matt
Burt
Deputy editor
Lexus has done well, but could do better
In the end, then, it’s details that set the Mercedes C63 and BMW M3 apart from the IS-F. But they’re the details that separate excellence from mere competence.

If Lexus is serious about its ‘Fuji’ moniker, it should fit a limited-slip differential and a gearbox better suited to fast driving. It has tuned the suspension to retain comfort while improving control, but in the end it excels at neither. And inside you’ll find seats that are too flat.

Lexus has done well, but could do better. "
GB72 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-02-2013, 04:35 PM   #8
buildbright
Captain
 
buildbright's Avatar
 
Drives: 335i BMW F30 Sedan
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Tampa, FL

Posts: 907
iTrader: (0)

Sorry I have drove an ISF. It was unimpressive to say the least. The transmission is a slush box. I like the IS350 better than the ISF. In that price range I would go with a C63 AMG if you didn't want an M3.
buildbright is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-03-2013, 02:05 AM   #9
HDEddie1
Private First Class
 
HDEddie1's Avatar
 
Drives: '12 F10 550i, '08 E60 528i
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: So Cal

Posts: 140
iTrader: (0)

335i vs ISF...price wise somewhere between a fully loaded 335i and the 2014 M3. Lexus packs a lot into their cars and here they're in the mid $60. A fully loaded 335i M Sport with similar tech options in the mid to high $50s.
Real world daily driver? Maybe somewhere between a 335i and M3 as well.
HDEddie1 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-03-2013, 10:16 AM   #10
roundel335
Brigadier General
 
roundel335's Avatar
 
Drives: 13 335i Sedan, 11 128i Cabrio
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Leland, NC

Posts: 3,533
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
If you don't mind driving a high-priced Toyota, sure, go ahead. Same with a Cadillac ATS or any one of the other BMW wannabes. You could also get a Mustang or Camaro or Charger/Challenter, for that matter. One thing for sure - none of them is a BMW.
__________________

2013 F30 335i M-Sport 8AT/MPE/MPPK, 2011 128i M-sport Cabrio 6MT/PE
roundel335 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-03-2013, 10:26 AM   #11
bimmerjph
Lieutenant Colonel
 
bimmerjph's Avatar
 
Drives: 2002 BMW 325i
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Tennessee

Posts: 1,974
iTrader: (0)

He might mean a used IS-F.
bimmerjph is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-03-2013, 03:46 PM   #12
tony20009
Brigadier General
 
tony20009's Avatar
 
Drives: BMW 335i - Coupe
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Washington, DC

Posts: 4,506
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by roundel335 View Post
If you don't mind driving a high-priced Toyota, sure, go ahead. Same with a Cadillac ATS or any one of the other BMW wannabes. You could also get a Mustang or Camaro or Charger/Challenter, for that matter. One thing for sure - none of them is a BMW.
I sense a bit of brand snobbery here, to say nothing of your comment's beingjust another form of ad hominem line of justification having no logical, or rational value.

Cadillac: Their ATS is a damn fine car and for all but at-the-limit driving is just as good as any 3er. Seeing as most people -- not most people on this forum, but in fact most people -- never even come close to driving at the limit, styling is all that distinguishes them. Read the recent reviews and and you'll see that most experts find the ATS to essentially be the 3er's equal. If Caddy continue on their current trend, they may have a car that surpasses the 3er. After all, consider that in it's first year of production, the ATS is already a very serious threat, more so than Lexus, Infiniti, Audi or MB's corresponding cars, to the 3er's reign as the world's top compact sport sedan.

Lexus: Lexus is now its own car brand; they are no longer sold outside the US as Toyotas. It has been since 2005. The IS family of cars are quite nice and for most folks the price variance between the IS and the corresponding BMW is more than compelling enough to make them worth considering. Moreover, they are more reliable than BMWs, especially if one plans to keep the car for longer than five years. With the F30's recent growth, it now offers more interior space than the IS, and it's certainly a more sporting car. More sporting, however, isn't a quality that most folks care about here in the US as there are very few places to exploit that aspect of the car.
__________________
Cheers,
Tony

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
'07, e92 335i, Sparkling Graphite, Coral Leather, Aluminum, 6-speed
tony20009 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-03-2013, 04:24 PM   #13
BavarianFanatic
Too much is never enough
 
Drives: Too Many
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: SE PA

Posts: 1,738
iTrader: (0)

The whole "F Sport" series is a new venture for Lexus who has pretty much mastered the personal luxury game. They're always catered to a demographic that holds quality and comfort above all else. While they've not created direct equals to their competition, they've spiced up their offerings whilst retaining a lot of their core values. That said, no, it's not an M3 or a C63 (more appropriate comparison than 335i). But it IS pretty much exactly what you'd expect Lexus to offer with their own spin.

I haven't driven an IS yet, but I did beat up a GS350 F Sport quite a bit last year. It was pretty damn nice and quite a bold leap for typically conservative Lexus.
BavarianFanatic is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-04-2013, 08:46 AM   #14
roundel335
Brigadier General
 
roundel335's Avatar
 
Drives: 13 335i Sedan, 11 128i Cabrio
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Leland, NC

Posts: 3,533
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony20009 View Post
I sense a bit of brand snobbery here, to say nothing of your comment's beingjust another form of ad hominem line of justification having no logical, or rational value.
"Brand snobbery"? Really? That's a rather bold and also rude and crude comment, considering that what I said was true. Neither of those brands are BMWs - I didn't say anything about it being superior (which I personally feel it is, after 50 years of driving more types and brands of vehicles than you likely ever will). I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with someone who feels the need to correct everything that someone else says just to feel superior, especially when it's based on misinterpretation.

Lexus is part of the Toyota corporate empire, and as such, they're as much a Toyota as a Lincoln is a Ford. Try not to forget those basic items. As I once said to a friend, whose retired parents had just bought a Lexus, "they're nice cars, but they have no soul", and he readily agreed with me. Not everyone would.

Regarding Cadillac, again, these are GM alpha-platform cars built by the UAW, as are most other GM vehicles. In other words, they're typical of the one-platform, many-body lineup that GM offers to its customers, differentiated only by fascia and brand logos. Having owned multiple vehicles from the "Big Three", they're not my cup of tea any more, no matter how good Car and Driver says they are.

So - getting back to the OP's original premise - he can buy whatever he wants to save his BMW for better weather, but if he's trying to find a cheaper substitute for his more highly-valued brand, that's exactly what they'll be - they're NOT BMWs, so his satisfaction level may not meet his expectations.

Don't read something into every contrary opinion you find on here, Tony. This is two-dimensional blogging, not a face-to-face conversation, and the opportunity to mis-interpret is as wide as an interstate highway.
__________________

2013 F30 335i M-Sport 8AT/MPE/MPPK, 2011 128i M-sport Cabrio 6MT/PE
roundel335 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-04-2013, 09:50 AM   #15
DarkTrigger
Professional
 
DarkTrigger's Avatar
 
Drives: 335i MPPK
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: LB, SoCal

Posts: 973
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tony20009 View Post
I sense a bit of brand snobbery here, to say nothing of your comment's beingjust another form of ad hominem line of justification having no logical, or rational value.

Cadillac: Their ATS is a damn fine car and for all but at-the-limit driving is just as good as any 3er. Seeing as most people -- not most people on this forum, but in fact most people -- never even come close to driving at the limit, styling is all that distinguishes them. Read the recent reviews and and you'll see that most experts find the ATS to essentially be the 3er's equal. If Caddy continue on their current trend, they may have a car that surpasses the 3er. After all, consider that in it's first year of production, the ATS is already a very serious threat, more so than Lexus, Infiniti, Audi or MB's corresponding cars, to the 3er's reign as the world's top compact sport sedan.

Lexus: Lexus is now its own car brand; they are no longer sold outside the US as Toyotas. It has been since 2005. The IS family of cars are quite nice and for most folks the price variance between the IS and the corresponding BMW is more than compelling enough to make them worth considering. Moreover, they are more reliable than BMWs, especially if one plans to keep the car for longer than five years. With the F30's recent growth, it now offers more interior space than the IS, and it's certainly a more sporting car. More sporting, however, isn't a quality that most folks care about here in the US as there are very few places to exploit that aspect of the car.
I believe the Lexus ES chassis is still shared with Toyota. It was based on the camry but now the avalon.... BMW is a brand unto only itself. As much as people say Lexus is not Toyota, it's still a subbrand.

My friend likes calling every car out by it's parent company, and when he does it, it really does make sense. Like I prefer hondas over toyotas and therefore prefer acuras over lexus'.
DarkTrigger is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-04-2013, 09:58 AM   #16
DarkTrigger
Professional
 
DarkTrigger's Avatar
 
Drives: 335i MPPK
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: LB, SoCal

Posts: 973
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by roundel335 View Post
"Brand snobbery"? Really? That's a rather bold and also rude and crude comment, considering that what I said was true. Neither of those brands are BMWs - I didn't say anything about it being superior (which I personally feel it is, after 50 years of driving more types and brands of vehicles than you likely ever will). I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with someone who feels the need to correct everything that someone else says just to feel superior, especially when it's based on misinterpretation.

Lexus is part of the Toyota corporate empire, and as such, they're as much a Toyota as a Lincoln is a Ford. Try not to forget those basic items. As I once said to a friend, whose retired parents had just bought a Lexus, "they're nice cars, but they have no soul", and he readily agreed with me. Not everyone would.

Regarding Cadillac, again, these are GM alpha-platform cars built by the UAW, as are most other GM vehicles. In other words, they're typical of the one-platform, many-body lineup that GM offers to its customers, differentiated only by fascia and brand logos. Having owned multiple vehicles from the "Big Three", they're not my cup of tea any more, no matter how good Car and Driver says they are.

So - getting back to the OP's original premise - he can buy whatever he wants to save his BMW for better weather, but if he's trying to find a cheaper substitute for his more highly-valued brand, that's exactly what they'll be - they're NOT BMWs, so his satisfaction level may not meet his expectations.

Don't read something into every contrary opinion you find on here, Tony. This is two-dimensional blogging, not a face-to-face conversation, and the opportunity to mis-interpret is as wide as an interstate highway.
+1 well put!
DarkTrigger is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-04-2013, 10:05 AM   #17
Michael Schott
Major
 
Drives: 2011 328i sedan
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Farmington Hills, MI

Posts: 1,452
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by roundel335 View Post
"Brand snobbery"? Really? That's a rather bold and also rude and crude comment, considering that what I said was true. Neither of those brands are BMWs - I didn't say anything about it being superior (which I personally feel it is, after 50 years of driving more types and brands of vehicles than you likely ever will). I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with someone who feels the need to correct everything that someone else says just to feel superior, especially when it's based on misinterpretation.

Lexus is part of the Toyota corporate empire, and as such, they're as much a Toyota as a Lincoln is a Ford. Try not to forget those basic items. As I once said to a friend, whose retired parents had just bought a Lexus, "they're nice cars, but they have no soul", and he readily agreed with me. Not everyone would.

Regarding Cadillac, again, these are GM alpha-platform cars built by the UAW, as are most other GM vehicles. In other words, they're typical of the one-platform, many-body lineup that GM offers to its customers, differentiated only by fascia and brand logos. Having owned multiple vehicles from the "Big Three", they're not my cup of tea any more, no matter how good Car and Driver says they are.

So - getting back to the OP's original premise - he can buy whatever he wants to save his BMW for better weather, but if he's trying to find a cheaper substitute for his more highly-valued brand, that's exactly what they'll be - they're NOT BMWs, so his satisfaction level may not meet his expectations.
Don't read something into every contrary opinion you find on here, Tony. This is two-dimensional blogging, not a face-to-face conversation, and the opportunity to mis-interpret is as wide as an interstate highway.
I also see your post as brand snobbery. You feel the need to comment on the UAW yet BMW in Germany is unionized. BMW also owns the Mini brand and the rumor is that the new FWD BMW 2 series will be based on a Mini chassis. Ultimately who cares what chassis a car is on or who builds it as long as the car drives well? According to nearly every review not just CD, the ATS drives great. By the way, as far as I can tell, the Alpha chassis is currently exclusive to the ATS and was developed for that car.
Michael Schott is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      02-04-2013, 10:16 AM   #18
Jamesons Viggen
Brigadier General
 
Drives: '98 M Roadster stg 2+ S/C
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Rochester Hills MI

Posts: 3,552
iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkTrigger View Post
I believe the Lexus ES chassis is still shared with Toyota. It was based on the camry but now the avalon.... BMW is a brand unto only itself. As much as people say Lexus is not Toyota, it's still a subbrand.

My friend likes calling every car out by it's parent company, and when he does it, it really does make sense. Like I prefer hondas over toyotas and therefore prefer acuras over lexus'.
The ES is now Avalon based.
__________________
'98 M Roadster stg 2+ S/C @ 13psi(cracking 500hp this summer) +'13 EBII M Sport 328i 6mtFOR SALE
Jamesons Viggen is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-04-2013, 11:18 AM   #19
tony20009
Brigadier General
 
tony20009's Avatar
 
Drives: BMW 335i - Coupe
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Washington, DC

Posts: 4,506
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkTrigger View Post
I believe the Lexus ES chassis is still shared with Toyota. It was based on the camry but now the avalon.... BMW is a brand unto only itself. As much as people say Lexus is not Toyota, it's still a subbrand.

My friend likes calling every car out by it's parent company, and when he does it, it really does make sense. Like I prefer hondas over toyotas and therefore prefer acuras over lexus'.

BMW also own Rolls Royce. Does that make a RR a BMW, or is a BMW a RR?

One thing I can say for sure, no RR owners think they have BMWs and no BMW owners think they have RRs. Well, maybe some do, but they are mistaken. Now I'm sure that there are some aspects of each company's manufactured parts that are shared among the various organizations; it only makes good business sense to exploit synergies and get the most use possible out of the parts.

You and I have many identical parts. Moreover, some of those parts are identical to those found in pigs and fish. That hardly makes me you or you me, to say nothing of either of us being fish. You could even be porcine (I'm not, I work out. LOL), but that still doesn't make you a pig.

If nature can share parts, why shouldn't car makers?
__________________
Cheers,
Tony

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
'07, e92 335i, Sparkling Graphite, Coral Leather, Aluminum, 6-speed
tony20009 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-04-2013, 12:06 PM   #20
roundel335
Brigadier General
 
roundel335's Avatar
 
Drives: 13 335i Sedan, 11 128i Cabrio
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Leland, NC

Posts: 3,533
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Schott View Post
I also see your post as brand snobbery. You feel the need to comment on the UAW yet BMW in Germany is unionized. BMW also owns the Mini brand and the rumor is that the new FWD BMW 2 series will be based on a Mini chassis. Ultimately who cares what chassis a car is on or who builds it as long as the car drives well? According to nearly every review not just CD, the ATS drives great. By the way, as far as I can tell, the Alpha chassis is currently exclusive to the ATS and was developed for that car.
So you haven't actually driven an ATS, then? I suspect your opinion is worth no more than mine, but I base mine on past experience with GM and other brands I won't ever buy again. Not to say I won't drive them - sometimes car rental agencies don't give you much of a choice. Who cares what chassis a car is on or who builds it as long as the car "drives well"? Probably people who view cars as transportation devices, a category I'll never fall into. And it's going to be the new FWD 1 series that's based on mini underpinnings, while the current 1-series will become the 2-series. Nonetheless, I stand by what I said. If the OP wants something else to substitute for his BMW in bad weather conditions, great - just don't expect it to be a BMW. It's hard to tell a Chevrolet from a Buick from a Cadillac these days, but none of them is a Ford or Chrysler, either.
__________________

2013 F30 335i M-Sport 8AT/MPE/MPPK, 2011 128i M-sport Cabrio 6MT/PE
roundel335 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-04-2013, 12:15 PM   #21
DarkTrigger
Professional
 
DarkTrigger's Avatar
 
Drives: 335i MPPK
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: LB, SoCal

Posts: 973
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tony20009 View Post
BMW also own Rolls Royce. Does that make a RR a BMW, or is a BMW a RR?

One thing I can say for sure, no RR owners think they have BMWs and no BMW owners think they have RRs. Well, maybe some do, but they are mistaken. Now I'm sure that there are some aspects of each company's manufactured parts that are shared among the various organizations; it only makes good business sense to exploit synergies and get the most use possible out of the parts.

You and I have many identical parts. Moreover, some of those parts are identical to those found in pigs and fish. That hardly makes me you or you me, to say nothing of either of us being fish. You could even be porcine (I'm not, I work out. LOL), but that still doesn't make you a pig.

If nature can share parts, why shouldn't car makers?
This is strictly a matter of ones opinion. In my opinion, car companies reuse the chasis' to reduce cost, nothing more. Look whose calling the kettle black.

BTW, I think you may be a "porcine" too, just in a different sense of the word. Why troll the f30 forums?

Last edited by DarkTrigger; 02-04-2013 at 12:23 PM.
DarkTrigger is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      02-04-2013, 12:23 PM   #22
tony20009
Brigadier General
 
tony20009's Avatar
 
Drives: BMW 335i - Coupe
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Washington, DC

Posts: 4,506
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by roundel335 View Post
"Brand snobbery"? Really? That's a rather bold and also rude and crude comment, considering that what I said was true. Neither of those brands are BMWs - I didn't say anything about it being superior (which I personally feel it is, after 50 years of driving more types and brands of vehicles than you likely ever will). I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with someone who feels the need to correct everything that someone else says just to feel superior, especially when it's based on misinterpretation.
Correct what you said? Not at all. I offered my interpretation of it. If you say you aren't a snob about the brands, I guess I have to believe you. And no, you didn't explicitly say that any brand is superior to the other. But the connotation of calling a Lexus a "high priced Toyota" can hardly be seen as much but deprecating.

As to why I said what I did, why do you think I needed to say that to feel superior? Do you really think me unable to feel superior without responding to your comment? Self superiority, whether I possess it or not, is by definition achieved without involving others.

Quote:
Originally Posted by roundel335 View Post
Lexus is part of the Toyota corporate empire, and as such, they're as much a Toyota as a Lincoln is a Ford. Try not to forget those basic items. As I once said to a friend, whose retired parents had just bought a Lexus, "they're nice cars, but they have no soul", and he readily agreed with me. Not everyone would.
So what part of BMW is Mini? Or Rolls Royce? If some bit from either brand finds its way into a BMW, does that make them the same things? There was a time when a Lexus was a Toyota. A Lexus XYS was marketed outside the US as a Toyota ABC, the only differences being the brand and model labels glued on the trunk. Today, despite similar styling aspects, it's pretty clear a Lexus isn't a Toyota, but yes, there are certainly shared parts between them.

And yes, I too think Lexus cars haven't as much soul as other cars, but the ISF will kick some butt and it drives well. Regardless of what I think, and whether I'd buy one, I have no reason to suggest someone not buy it based on its relationship to a Toyota, which in an of itself, is not a bad thing. If I were to suggest against it, it would be based on something objective: the lack of space in the rear, its inability to do this or that, the poor execution of some feature, this or that aspect of the car (something other than its connection to some other brand) feels cheap, or something else. Lacking anything concrete, were I to say anything at all, I'd just suggest one drive it and decide.

The essence of calling the IS or ISF an expensive Toyota is that you think the OP should go drive the IS and then go find the corresponding Toyota and determine whether the IS is worth the premium. Now I for one don't even know what Toyota car would be the equivalent of an IS. I wonder if the OP does? I know you didn't carry through with your idea and tell her/him.

Quote:
Originally Posted by roundel335 View Post
Regarding Cadillac, again, these are GM alpha-platform cars built by the UAW, as are most other GM vehicles. In other words, they're typical of the one-platform, many-body lineup that GM offers to its customers, differentiated only by fascia and brand logos. Having owned multiple vehicles from the "Big Three", they're not my cup of tea any more, no matter how good Car and Driver says they are.
What exactly does who the laborers are have to do with whether a car maker utilizes a "one platform, many-body" strategy? Does this mean that if the UAW doesn't build them, car makers can have multiple platforms and multiple bodies?

I can accept that they just don't knock your socks off. That's fine; there's absolutely nothing wrong with your not liking/wanting one. And I applaud that you are willing to make your own decision about liking them, despite what the car press say.

I was of a similar mind about Apple products and in particular the iPhone. I had long used Nokia phones and I was quite happy with them. They did everything I needed them to and I was missing nothing. Then, after just being curious having read all the positive press about iPhones, I broke down and bought an iPhone 4 and I have to say, it's great phone; the yea-sayers were right. I was most impressed with how intuitive it is to use. Indeed to this day, I have yet to read an owner's manual for it. But for it being more phone than they need, I'd even suggest one to my aged parents (86 and 95 years old), for I truly believe, that unlike most cell phones, even simple ones, it wouldn't confuse them to use it.

I have since moved on to a new Nokia Lumia 920. I like it just as much as the iPhone, and it was far less costly. It doesn't have all the available apps that an iPhone does, but it has the ones I want. All those thousands of apps that I don't want really don't matter to me. The IS could well be to the OP what the Lumia is to me: a fine alternative to the iPhone that costs a lot less and offers no less utility or ease of use.

Quote:
Originally Posted by roundel335 View Post
So - getting back to the OP's original premise - he can buy whatever he wants to save his BMW for better weather, but if he's trying to find a cheaper substitute for his more highly-valued brand, that's exactly what they'll be - they're NOT BMWs, so his satisfaction level may not meet his expectations.

Don't read something into every contrary opinion you find on here, Tony. This is two-dimensional blogging, not a face-to-face conversation, and the opportunity to mis-interpret is as wide as an interstate highway.
I agree, whatever the OP gets that isn't a BMW, won't be a BMW. As suggested above, s/he'll have to make that decision by driving some cars. He may not be satisfied with a non-BMW, but I'm fairly sure it won't be because it's a car that was made by the a Ford-, Toyota-, or GM-related car company.

I didn't read anything into what you said. I read it and I said that it read like brand snobbery because that's what it read like to me. I didn't call you a snob, I said only that your words give me the sense that you may have some brand snobbery going on in your post. Surely, be you a brand snob or not, you can see how decrying an upmarket car due to its connection with a mass market brand, and further implying that, in addition to purchasing a re-branded mass market car, by buying it one will pay more to get the same thing available in the mass market variant, could be construed as brand snobbery.
__________________
Cheers,
Tony

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
'07, e92 335i, Sparkling Graphite, Coral Leather, Aluminum, 6-speed

Last edited by tony20009; 02-04-2013 at 12:32 PM.
tony20009 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:42 AM.




f30post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST