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      03-05-2013, 10:01 AM   #67
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People insist on using this euro to dollar conversion when people in Europe are not converting dollars into euros. In essense it costs $66,000, still more than here.

If europeans were smart and patient (and assuming they could register US cars in europe) the better idea would be to actually convert euros at a 30% premium into dollars and then buy a BMW here and take it back to europe. US cars are much safer and have much higher safety standards than european cars, generally speaking.
Trust me mate I paid exact 86k$ to dealer myself with my own hands. And if I buy a car from US and deliver it to my country it cost more than dealer for example custom importers sell a Ford F-150 Raptor for 130k$....
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Diesel prices were almost the same with gas prices in US. Is it the same these days? This may be another reason why people living in US do not prefer diesel cars.

I personally dislike diesels due to engine sound, acceleration at still, and the exhaust smell. Otherwise, 3.20d is superior to 3.20 when acceleration at higher speeds is considered.
The funny thing is that a 328i (gasoline) sounds more like a diesel at idle than my 335d does.

If I were to complain about the sound of a diesel, it's the lack of sound, and the limited options for aftermarket exhaust.

2014 is the real "year of the diesel" in the USA:

-Audi A6, A7, A8, Q5 all will have diesel models in the US. A4 will come later.
-5 new BMW diesel models as we already know.
-Jeep will have a new diesel Grand Cherokee.
-Mercedes GL-class and E-class will get 4-cylinder diesel options
-Mazda6 SkyActiv Diesel this summer, an innovative low-compression motor
-Dodge is putting a small V6 diesel in their RAM 1500 (not to be confused with the bigger Cummins-based trucks)
-Chevrolet will be selling a diesel Cruze.
-Volkswagen will likely bring its diesel hot-hatch, Golf GTD, to the US next year


And to all the nay-sayers who have repeatedly told me that diesel was dead over the past couple of years...
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Sorry, but my English is not good enough to understand this... Can somebody translate it for me?
Don't feel bad. English is my primary language and I still don't understand what he said.
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People insist on using this euro to dollar conversion when people in Europe are not converting dollars into euros. In essense it costs $66,000, still more than here.

If europeans were smart and patient (and assuming they could register US cars in europe) the better idea would be to actually convert euros at a 30% premium into dollars and then buy a BMW here and take it back to europe. US cars are much safer and have much higher safety standards than european cars, generally speaking.
What about the warranty, shipping costs and import taxes Mr. Non-European?
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The funny thing is that a 328i (gasoline) sounds more like a diesel at idle than my 335d does.

If I were to complain about the sound of a diesel, it's the lack of sound, and the limited options for aftermarket exhaust.

2014 is the real "year of the diesel" in the USA:

...

And to all the nay-sayers who have repeatedly told me that diesel was dead over the past couple of years...
If anyone is telling you that diesel is dead, they are definitely unaware of the car market. Diesel is very popular in most of the parts of the world.

Regarding the sound though, I haven't driven nor seen 3.35d and 3.28i, so I cannot compare. I have driven 3.20d and 3.20i. The sound isolation is great in these cars, yet still the difference is apparent. And I am not actually talking about the level of the engine, but it is the pitch (the vibration you feel inside, that is like a tractor) that I dislike for the most part.

After all it is all about priorities, choices, and preferences.
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People insist on using this euro to dollar conversion when people in Europe are not converting dollars into euros. In essense it costs $66,000, still more than here.

If europeans were smart and patient (and assuming they could register US cars in europe) the better idea would be to actually convert euros at a 30% premium into dollars and then buy a BMW here and take it back to europe. US cars are much safer and have much higher safety standards than european cars, generally speaking.
When you consider the customs duty in many countries, it becomes extremely discouraging and unreasonable to commit such an action.
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If anyone is telling you that diesel is dead, they are definitely unaware of the car market. Diesel is very popular in most of the parts of the world.

Regarding the sound though, I haven't driven nor seen 3.35d and 3.28i, so I cannot compare. I have driven 3.20d and 3.20i. The sound isolation is great in these cars, yet still the difference is apparent. And I am not actually talking about the level of the engine, but it is the pitch (the vibration you feel inside, that is like a tractor) that I dislike for the most part.

After all it is all about priorities, choices, and preferences.
Why do you keep putting a "." (dot) in the BMW numerals? It's 320 not 3.20. It throws me off
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Why do you keep putting a "." (dot) in the BMW numerals? It's 320 not 3.20. It throws me off
Honestly, I was thinking that there was a dot there. I guess I am not a careful person at all, I won't do it again from now on.

Thanks for the info.
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If anyone is telling you that diesel is dead, they are definitely unaware of the car market. Diesel is very popular in most of the parts of the world.
Over the years there have been a number of vocal individuals on this forum using the 335d as an example to show that diesel was a dead-end in the North American market.... but I digress.
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What about the warranty, shipping costs and import taxes Mr. Non-European?
I was coming at this from a standpoint of exploiting the euro/dollar exchange rates. I know what I proposed wasn't possible for a variety of tax, protectionist reasons. No I'm not european but I love going there and go there a lot but am glad I was born here in the US.
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Trust me mate I paid exact 86k$ to dealer myself with my own hands. And if I buy a car from US and deliver it to my country it cost more than dealer for example custom importers sell a Ford F-150 Raptor for 130k$....
I'm sure you did this but the other 99% of europeans are NOT converting their money into dollars & buying cars here in the US. Yes or no??
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i just ordered a 318d f30... the consumer price would be just shy of $50k. But because it's a company car i managed to get some discounts. When you drive more then 20.000km a year, it's really not a question if you should take diesel or gasoline. MPG is usually 20-30% lower for a diesel, and the diesel prices are still 10-15% lower then gasoline (atleast here in belgium).
It might not be the most sporty engine, but this is in my opinion not because of an engine is gasoline or diesel. I've driven gasoline, LPG and diesel a lot... i find diesel to be the most comfortable, and modern diesels (e.g. my 118d) have enough grunt for a sporty ride.... though i wish the 320d would have been an option

driving sporty doesn't mean you should rev it up as much as possible, having great torque when exiting the corner and a less nervous ride is worth more to me... but that's just my (biased ?) opinion.

If I would be loaded, i'd go for the M550xd... not the M5.
maybe.... one day....
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driving sporty doesn't mean you should rev it up as much as possible, having great torque when exiting the corner and a less nervous ride is worth more to me... but that's just my (biased ?) opinion.
I agree. But that universal understanding is that "sporty" equals stratospheric RPMs just because in 100 years or so of automobilism, revving the hell out of the engine was the only way to get maximum pull.

Well, to those people who still believe that: welcome to the 21st century
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People insist on using this euro to dollar conversion when people in Europe are not converting dollars into euros. In essense it costs $66,000, still more than here.

If europeans were smart and patient (and assuming they could register US cars in europe) the better idea would be to actually convert euros at a 30% premium into dollars and then buy a BMW here and take it back to europe. US cars are much safer and have much higher safety standards than european cars, generally speaking.
WTF are you going on about? I'm referring to your second reply later as well. If the car in Germany costs 50,000 monetary units and each monetary unit is worth 1.3 dollars, than that car costs $65,000. Chiaro?

Germany doesn't use dollars.
Whatever Germany uses as money, their 1 isn't equal to $1.
UK doesn't use same monetary unit as Germany and their unit isn't equal to 1$ nor is it equal to 1 German monetary unit.

So, yes, if you want to know how many dollars a car costs somewhere in Europe, you have to multiply A (number of monetary units they use) with B (number of current exchange rate with USD). AxB = price in USD.

As far as importing cars, when Euro was 1.6 dollars, it made the news here but only for cars worth a lot of money (7 series, Porsches, S Klass and so on). Thing was completely legal. Right now it is not worth it with Euro being only 1.3 dollars.
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I agree. But that universal understanding is that "sporty" equals stratospheric RPMs just because in 100 years or so of automobilism, revving the hell out of the engine was the only way to get maximum pull.

Well, to those people who still believe that: welcome to the 21st century
Look, I agree with you, but you are making a small mistake here.

For utilitarian purposes (going from house to work, for example) NOTHING is better than diesel right now. As a matter of fact, I commute, shop and generally function using my TDI. The car in the signature picture is ONLY for driving. Where driving means no destination, on roads that have little or no straights, no traffic lights, no Stop signs and, above all, no other "drivers".

I absolutely LOVE commuting and generally functioning in my diesel. Sometimes I even take it for driving and it makes me smile. But make no mistake, you want gasoline, high-revving car for equivalent of motoring orgasm. It's not about power as you imply in your post, it is about high revving and sound. Double-clutched and rev-matched downshift at 6,000 rpms before storming the corner in a prayer to remain alive at the exit is something you just can't do it so perfectly in the diesel - at least not in diesels we get in U.S.
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Look, I agree with you, but you are making a small mistake here.

For utilitarian purposes (going from house to work, for example) NOTHING is better than diesel right now. As a matter of fact, I commute, shop and generally function using my TDI. The car in the signature picture is ONLY for driving. Where driving means no destination, on roads that have little or no straights, no traffic lights, no Stop signs and, above all, no other "drivers".

I absolutely LOVE commuting and generally functioning in my diesel. Sometimes I even take it for driving and it makes me smile. But make no mistake, you want gasoline, high-revving car for equivalent of motoring orgasm. It's not about power as you imply in your post, it is about high revving and sound. Double-clutched and rev-matched downshift at 6,000 rpms before storming the corner in a prayer to remain alive at the exit is something you just can't do it so perfectly in the diesel - at least not in diesels we get in U.S.
I hear you dude, I was just messing around. To each his own. It was a time when I was dreaming of V-TECs and 8k red line. But I got old and now I'm dreaming of 500 lb-ft at 2k
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I hear you dude, I was just messing around. To each his own. It was a time when I was dreaming of V-TECs and 8k red line. But I got old and now I'm dreaming of 500 lb-ft at 2k
I don't mind 500 lbft at 2,000 rpm either. Just not while exiting a corner on a wing and a prayer
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US cars are much safer and have much higher safety standards than european cars, generally speaking.
EU has some pretty stringent safety norms as well. Beside, most model that are sold on both markets are designed to pass safety features mandated by US norms (so in effect, they abide by the 2 regimes). They are equally safe, sold in Europe or in US since there are no significant difference beside options like leather or cloth seats and the amount of in-car entertainment gadgetry.

Model sold in Europe however often do not pass EPA emission regulations (but to be fair, some US only models would not pass Euro6 either, especially considering light trucks). But this is because it is easy to castrate an engine by changing the airbox or the cat, and meet an emission goal just by tweaking 2/3 parts. It would cost more money to design and assemble different cars for different markets that would be "less safe".
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