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      02-24-2013, 04:10 PM   #23
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Only one problem with the A45 AMG:
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It's fine. I hate exhaust noise anyway. Wish they'd make it silent!
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Oh dear, it sounds a bit like a chavved-up chav car with a really noisy fan belt. And what a toe-crulingly crap corporate video - makes the car feel slow and lumbering and the bloke driving it looked like he was about to burst into tears.
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I'll kick off.
Not a BMW. Lousy customer care. F30 too big for me and F20 a bit unattractive.
Not an Audi either.
Probably a Porsche Cayman S or Merc A45 AMG or a VW Mk7 Golf R.
You bored of the F30 already! You've only had it about 2 months.
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Ok, a few sweeping generalisations to get out the way first...

Alfa Romeo - Just don't float my boat.
Aston Martin - money pit.
Audi - Never in a million years, they can all go hang for all I care. (Yes there's a story there! )
Bentley - If you gave me a GTC, a million quid to run it and a house on the Riviera then maybe.
Chevrolet/Chrysler - c'mon, stop being silly.
Citroen/Peugeot/Renault - sorry the four worst cars of my life were French. Never again.
Ferrari - sadly no.
Ford - How can I say this politely? Err.... nope.
Fiat - I want p o w e r r r... not chic.
Honda - Maybe if I was retired and wore beige?
Hyundai - They're improving but nothing hairy chested yet.
Infiniti - Meh.
Jaguar - Hmmm, bit of an image thing going on and the fast ones are too pricey.
Jeep -
Kia - Another manufacturer that's improving but again nothing 'exciting'.
Lamboghini - Sorry only one I ever liked was the Miura.
LandRover - Evoque is too slow, Freelander is naff, Discovery is for huge families, Range Rover is for the gentry.
Lexus - Wake me up when it's over.
Maserati - Like the look of the GranTurismo but too much money.
Mazda - For old men who think they're nippy
Mercedes - Driven plenty, never owned one, never wanted too.
MG - Need a car that starts every time.
Mini - Maybe if I had a sex change.
Mitsubishi - Bit dull except for the Evo which ain't my cuppa tea.
Morgan - Not very practical.
Nissan - For mums and reps, except the GTR which is too bonkers for me.
Porsche - Would consider a 911 but not as a daily driver.
Proton - Get outta here!
Seat - Again, they don't excite.
Skoda - Capable good value cars but the hot ones are just luke warm.
Smart - I'd sooner wear roller-skates.
Subaru - Same as Mitsubishi, all a bit safe except for one hooligan car.
Suzuki - The motoring equivalent of beige paint (although being driven round Goodwood by a rally driver in a Suzuki Swift was huge fun).
Toyota - Aimed at pensioners or budget-conscious housewives with 12 kids?
Vauxhall - Had too many Vauxhall hire cars to ever want to own one.
VW - Nearly bought a Scirocco, bought a BMW instead.
Volvo - Bit of a stuffy image. Tried a few on a Volvo Freedom day but didn't come away wanting one.

Hmmm, talked myself into another BMW perhaps. Was originally thinking of a 330d next when the LCI comes round, but been enjoying the refinement of petrol since getting this car. Not sure we'll see a 330i or 430i though. Then again, always had a soft spot for the F10 M5...
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      02-25-2013, 05:13 AM   #27
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What car will I be buying next?

Haven't got over the shock of buying the present one yet... ask me again in about 5-years time.

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      02-25-2013, 05:17 AM   #28
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This will make you see red....my passenger seat had the smallest of pin holes in the top layer of leather. When I took the car in for other stuff, I commented on the hole, just for the dealer to document that it was there from day one in case it grew in size. Got a message to say they had replaced the whole seat squab leather

When you see what Elms BMW have done for me, there is no question, NO other OEM would look after their customers as well as Elms have. I can see many years of BMW's from Elms as a result.
I have one ,mate, they are absolutely brilliant , my next car BMW, test driving the M5 in April.
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I certainly won't be buying another Merc any time soon. Most disappointed with the whole Mercedes ownership experience - Mercedes and their dealers appear more concerned with the customer satisfaction surveys than actually delivering a quality product.

It was time for the Merc to go when I drove my wife's Mazda and realised that it was silent compared to the rattles emanating from the dash of my C class! I could rant on - we all have different experiences.
I am with you on this one, merc dealers are IMO "stuck up their own arses". I test drove a new CLS AMG 6.2 ( 72K basic),
I got 32 miles down the road and the dashboard fell out complete onto the floor, when I took it back ( and it drove crap by the way) the sales guy said "no problem we will stick it back", I said you can stick the car mate. Build quality ................rubbish.
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I am with you on this one, merc dealers are IMO "stuck up their own arses". I test drove a new CLS AMG 6.2 ( 72K basic),
I got 32 miles down the road and the dashboard fell out complete onto the floor, when I took it back ( and it drove crap by the way) the sales guy said "no problem we will stick it back", I said you can stick the car mate. Build quality ................rubbish.
Agreed on the build quality being awful, we had a loaner M-Class when someone damaged our X3. The quality of the dash and plastic was dreadful, not a patch on the X3, and this is a 40k+ car compared to a 31k X3.

Couldn't wait to get back in ours after a week with the Merc!
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      02-25-2013, 02:29 PM   #31
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I am with you on this one, merc dealers are IMO "stuck up their own arses". I test drove a new CLS AMG 6.2 ( 72K basic),
I got 32 miles down the road and the dashboard fell out complete onto the floor, when I took it back ( and it drove crap by the way) the sales guy said "no problem we will stick it back", I said you can stick the car mate. Build quality ................rubbish.
....and I thought my car was badly built when I opened the door and part of the trim fell off! It was the dash rattles that really annoyed me though.

mtmcgavock - agreed. My Merc was 40K and I really believe that my wife's Mazda was better built. Certainly, it didn't suffer the same number of rattles.

F30AM - there is one other consideration........the Merc forums are nowhere near as extensive as those for BMW! You'd miss F30post!
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Robuk: I agree with you. However, BMW do piss me off!

Crazy: Merc owners are not computer litrate as they can be quite ancient. Many BMW owners are totally language illterate!

Both drive me mad.

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I have one ,mate, they are absolutely brilliant , my next car BMW, test driving the M5 in April.
Ah the S63Tu is an amazing engine, and coupled with the best road gearbox in the world. You will love it
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Robuk: I agree with you. However, BMW do piss me off!

Crazy: Merc owners are not computer litrate as they can be quite ancient. Many BMW owners are totally language illterate!

Both drive me mad.

Find a better BMW dealer
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Never a truer word was said in jest.
The Service Manager at Berry Chiswick has gone. I wrote a letter to the MD citing shoddy treatment. Body Shop Berry Chiswick top notch.
I've found a superb Service Dept. HR Owen in Park Royal and the Service Manager is Tony O. Wonderful guy. Totally brilliant!
BTW, kerbed my GTI wheel after 3 years at a BMW Dealer! What a mess!!!!!
Got a spare one which I bought cheap. Anyway, GTI is gone in 2-3 weeks time. I'll miss it.
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Never a truer word was said in jest.
The Service Manager at Berry Chiswick has gone. I wrote a letter to the MD citing shoddy treatment. Body Shop Berry Chiswick top notch.
I've found a superb Service Dept. HR Owen in Park Royal and the Service Manager is Tony O. Wonderful guy. Totally brilliant!
BTW, kerbed my GTI wheel after 3 years at a BMW Dealer! What a mess!!!!!
Got a spare one which I bought cheap. Anyway, GTI is gone in 2-3 weeks time. I'll miss it.
No I was being serious, I have a telephone number of a great one next time you buy a BMW
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No I was being serious, I have a telephone number of a great one next time you buy a BMW
I'm in Central London. HR Owen or Hexagon Highgate. The former is totally brilliant. Quite famous for fab service.
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I'm in Central London. HR Owen or Hexagon Highgate. The former is totally brilliant. Quite famous for fab service.
Yeah? Well they have a branch in Stansted, so not far
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Yeah? Well they have a branch in Stansted, so not far
My local dealer, I've never been impressed with them at all. I did approach them when I was looking for my F31 but bought elsewhere.
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My local dealer, I've never been impressed with them at all. I did approach them when I was looking for my F31 but bought elsewhere.
Not good, but guess it depends on the contact person??? I went there once to test drive a 3 series. Chap seemed very helpful, but car wasn't what I was looking for at the time.

I have corresponded with the Group Manager/MD and he did his best to correct my situation, so you know the management are customer focussed at least.
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It's funny how some get good treatment in a dealership and others are not.
I play them off "one against the other" for the best deal, and then go to "my dealer" and see what they are offering, then hit them with the lowest - a grand or two and get an even better offer.
Works for me. They always come up trumps.
Coopers seem (in my case) to be the most greedy along with Syntners.
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At our dealer we've always been treated quite well, however I'm lead to believe the service department is awful if you actually have a problem (I've never had one, but it's only been in for service and minor items). It seems Sales can't do enough for you then service don't give one (The usual).

Saying that though, my Grandfather had been buying cars from them for 20 years then when he wanted standard tires on the X5 instead of run flats they weren't interested and wouldn't even entertain the idea. He ended up buying elsewhere with a massive discount
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At our dealer we've always been treated quite well, however I'm lead to believe the service department is awful if you actually have a problem (I've never had one, but it's only been in for service and minor items). It seems Sales can't do enough for you then service don't give one (The usual).

Saying that though, my Grandfather had been buying cars from them for 20 years then when he wanted standard tires on the X5 instead of run flats they weren't interested and wouldn't even entertain the idea. He ended up buying elsewhere with a massive discount
Says it all Shop nationwide and get the best deal.
So many people are just too lazy to shop around for a week or two, it pays masive.
The dealers give you one price one week and wait a week and they ring back it's down a lot.
I have not had a poor RV+discount deal yet, all this BULL they give you .
"you can't have it both ways" sorry guy you can and I do.
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Their price has always been alright, we've always got 15%-20% discount minimum on cars we've bought and no other dealer around here seems to be interested in even matching that currently.

I always do my homework before buying

In regards to the other dealer, I think they we're just desperate to get orders. They even threw in all the wiring for the towbar! (Worth 700)
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