F30POST
F30POST
2012-2015 BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST > Technical Forums > N55 Turbo Engine / Drivetrain / Exhaust Modifications > F30 335i 6MT Baseline Dyno!!
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      04-16-2016, 08:12 PM   #1
F30_SixSpeed
Lieutenant
F30_SixSpeed's Avatar
352
Rep
588
Posts

Drives: Estoril Blue F30 M Sport
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: New Jersey

iTrader: (1)

F30 335i 6MT Baseline Dyno!!

Whats up guys,

I did a baseline dyno today with the local M3 + M4 Crew. A ton of nice cars... Had a lot of fun and was happy with my baseline numbers.

Car is bone stock aside from an AFE open air intake. 93 Octane.

Best numbers out of 3 pulls: 273 whp, 298 wtrq

HP numbers right around what I expected... Torque was pleasantly higher then I expected. I knew the car was torquey I told the dyno operator to rev to ~6.7k but looks like he let off a little early on the runs... not a big deal since power starts to dip past 6K anyways.

Can't wait to throw on a JB4 w/ bluetooth



Uncorrected #s were 279 whp, 305 wtrq





Appreciate 5
      04-16-2016, 10:37 PM   #2
zinner
Captain
zinner's Avatar
182
Rep
626
Posts

Drives: 2015 335i Msport
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Raleigh, NC

iTrader: (0)

Here is mines for comparison

2015 335i M6, the low number is stock with AFE and MPE only.
Attached Images
 
Appreciate 0
      04-17-2016, 08:24 AM   #3
F30_SixSpeed
Lieutenant
F30_SixSpeed's Avatar
352
Rep
588
Posts

Drives: Estoril Blue F30 M Sport
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: New Jersey

iTrader: (1)

very nice ^^ ... whats mods on the 390 whp pull? A little unusual torque is lower then hp on the higher pull - trying to keep it easy for the clutch?
Appreciate 0
      04-17-2016, 09:01 AM   #4
Mike@N54Tuning.com
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
Canada
2994
Rep
61,935
Posts


Drives: 2007 335i, 2015 M3
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: N54tuning.com

iTrader: (90)

Looks good.. Remember a dyno is just a tool and don't get concerned or focused on the raw numbers.. When you do more stuff to the car make sure you go back to the same dyno, and then you will get a good idea of power made, etc..

Mike
__________________

****COMBOS AND CRAZY DEALS!! - CLICK HERE!!****
N54 Catless Downpipes - 349.00 Shipped!! EVOLUTION RACEWERKS SPRING SALE 15-20% OFF + Free Ship PURE TURBOS - ON SALE + Free Shipping! JB4 SALE!! $50.00 OFF (IN STOCK) + FREE SHIP
Appreciate 2
      04-17-2016, 09:14 AM   #5
F30_SixSpeed
Lieutenant
F30_SixSpeed's Avatar
352
Rep
588
Posts

Drives: Estoril Blue F30 M Sport
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: New Jersey

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike@N54Tuning.com View Post
Looks good.. Remember a dyno is just a tool and don't get concerned or focused on the raw numbers.. When you do more stuff to the car make sure you go back to the same dyno, and then you will get a good idea of power made, etc..

Mike
Yessir correct... Will be throwing it on the same dyno with future upgrades
Appreciate 0
      04-17-2016, 11:55 AM   #6
zinner
Captain
zinner's Avatar
182
Rep
626
Posts

Drives: 2015 335i Msport
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Raleigh, NC

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by F30_SixSpeed View Post
very nice ^^ ... whats mods on the 390 whp pull? A little unusual torque is lower then hp on the higher pull - trying to keep it easy for the clutch?
Pure Stage 2 with ER charge pipe @ 15psi.

Stock FMIC and Clutch are the limiting factors. And the tq is limited because of the clutch.

I was wondering what the difference between STD and SAE correction factors was and here is a good read. SAE is typically 4% lower read than STD. All dynojets using the same CF and correctly installed and calibrated should all read the same regardless of location or climate at the time.

http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/ght...el-horsepower/

Last edited by zinner; 04-17-2016 at 12:00 PM.
Appreciate 1
      04-18-2016, 08:54 AM   #7
F30_SixSpeed
Lieutenant
F30_SixSpeed's Avatar
352
Rep
588
Posts

Drives: Estoril Blue F30 M Sport
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: New Jersey

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by zinner View Post
Pure Stage 2 with ER charge pipe @ 15psi.

Stock FMIC and Clutch are the limiting factors. And the tq is limited because of the clutch.

I was wondering what the difference between STD and SAE correction factors was and here is a good read. SAE is typically 4% lower read than STD. All dynojets using the same CF and correctly installed and calibrated should all read the same regardless of location or climate at the time.

http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/ght...el-horsepower/
That may work in theory... but it is never the case. All dynos read different. I am aware of the difference in STD and SAE. I am not new to the car scene and have dynoed multiples times (this specific dyno about 6-7 times.) I prefer the standard correction factor because I've always used it and it seems most people around here use that including the big names/tuners. Just FYI my SAE numbers were just a couple points lower. Your #s would have definitely been slightly higher with the STD correction factor. If you are still in contact with the dyno, you can probably call them and they can pull those graphs... its just an option on the dynojet system.

Like stated above its just a measuring tool - I really want to see what the baseline was before getting JB4 and additional mods.

There was a JB4 tuned M5 on race gas that made 500whp on map 7 I believe. Another tuned M4 (running a pretty high map/boost) with intakes made like 470-480whp. The FBO and tuned e46 M3s were all around 290-320 whp so it definitely isn't a happy dyno, but accurate.

Very nice #s BTW.
Appreciate 0
      04-23-2017, 07:23 PM   #8
Bigmo93
Private First Class
United_States
7
Rep
118
Posts

Drives: 2013 335i X Drive M Sport 6MT
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Wilton, CT

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by zinner View Post
Pure Stage 2 with ER charge pipe @ 15psi.

Stock FMIC and Clutch are the limiting factors. And the tq is limited because of the clutch
do you know what the max torque limit is on these OEM clutches? I'm running JB4 on map 1. I believe the torque goes to over 400 with map 1? And does anybody know if stage clutches are out yet for this chassis?

Thanks
Appreciate 0
      04-24-2017, 06:48 AM   #9
harkes
Captain
harkes's Avatar
China
266
Rep
985
Posts

Drives: M135i, NSX and AE86
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Xiamen, China

iTrader: (0)

Great to see some realistic baseline numbers - and even on a Dynojet. 20 crank hp over advertised is something I can believe in

With PS1, FMIC and DP but stock boost/flash I dynoed mine at 286whp...
__________________
bootmod3 and JB4'ed M135i PWG
(A Dane in China)

Last edited by harkes; 04-24-2017 at 06:54 AM.
Appreciate 1
      05-04-2017, 07:35 PM   #10
zinner
Captain
zinner's Avatar
182
Rep
626
Posts

Drives: 2015 335i Msport
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Raleigh, NC

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigmo93 View Post
do you know what the max torque limit is on these OEM clutches? I'm running JB4 on map 1. I believe the torque goes to over 400 with map 1? And does anybody know if stage clutches are out yet for this chassis?

Thanks
I haven't seen anything but I am not looking too hard, stock clutch is still holding at 400 wtq for probably a year now. Looking at real oem I think there is a chance I can do a 550i clutch when it comes to that.
Appreciate 0
      05-05-2017, 12:03 PM   #11
F30_SixSpeed
Lieutenant
F30_SixSpeed's Avatar
352
Rep
588
Posts

Drives: Estoril Blue F30 M Sport
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: New Jersey

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigmo93 View Post
do you know what the max torque limit is on these OEM clutches? I'm running JB4 on map 1. I believe the torque goes to over 400 with map 1? And does anybody know if stage clutches are out yet for this chassis?

Thanks
Quote:
Originally Posted by zinner View Post
I haven't seen anything but I am not looking too hard, stock clutch is still holding at 400 wtq for probably a year now. Looking at real oem I think there is a chance I can do a 550i clutch when it comes to that.
Stock clutches seem to be pretty stout. I'm now full bolt on, tune and e40 mixture. My highest dyno pull was 400whp + 473wtrq. Happy to see clutch still grabs like a MFer.
__________________
13' EBII 335i M Sport 6MT | FBO, BM3, e30, KW, MP BBK, OEM+ | 400whp & 473wtrq

Build Thread: http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1328259
Appreciate 0
      05-16-2017, 11:43 PM   #12
Bigmo93
Private First Class
United_States
7
Rep
118
Posts

Drives: 2013 335i X Drive M Sport 6MT
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Wilton, CT

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by zinner View Post
I haven't seen anything but I am not looking too hard, stock clutch is still holding at 400 wtq for probably a year now. Looking at real oem I think there is a chance I can do a 550i clutch when it comes to that.
Thanks for the response. Is a 550i clutch direct fit?
Appreciate 0
      05-16-2017, 11:44 PM   #13
Bigmo93
Private First Class
United_States
7
Rep
118
Posts

Drives: 2013 335i X Drive M Sport 6MT
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Wilton, CT

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by F30_SixSpeed View Post
Stock clutches seem to be pretty stout. I'm now full bolt on, tune and e40 mixture. My highest dyno pull was 400whp + 473wtrq. Happy to see clutch still grabs like a MFer.
lol that's good to hear. Running map 1 now. Been worried about throwing the downpipe on cause I thought it'd be too much power but that seems promising. Thanks for the reply
Appreciate 1
      05-17-2017, 09:47 AM   #14
Bmw doubles
Dream crusher
Bmw doubles's Avatar
United_States
463
Rep
1,956
Posts

Drives: Fast
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: westside

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2011 535  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigmo93 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by zinner View Post
I haven't seen anything but I am not looking too hard, stock clutch is still holding at 400 wtq for probably a year now. Looking at real oem I think there is a chance I can do a 550i clutch when it comes to that.
Thanks for the response. Is a 550i clutch direct fit?
The 550 is direct. I'm doing it now on my F10 N55. I had 500wtq on my stock clutch and was getting slip. Though the stock clutch is extremely resilient 473wtq is past its limits, be careful. A new clutch is about 400 bucks and a new DMFW is about 1200 not including labor. Don't glaze your DMFW from 473wtq. Get the 550 clutch soon or tune down your wtq asap. In the pics you can see the minor hotspots from 500wtq.

We've found that 430wtq its at its limits and this is with a CDV mod/delete. The 550 clutch should be good up to 550wtq maybe even 600. I'll know soon.
Attached Images
   
__________________
535i MPS2 flash 345whp/500wtq, DP, 550 clutch, UUC SSK, GFB dv, SB, Custom Exhaust, M5 Sways, Eibach OE, Koni Sports

Upcoming mod: MPS1 turbo
Appreciate 4
      05-17-2017, 10:58 AM   #15
F30_SixSpeed
Lieutenant
F30_SixSpeed's Avatar
352
Rep
588
Posts

Drives: Estoril Blue F30 M Sport
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: New Jersey

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bmw doubles View Post
The 550 is direct. I'm doing it now on my F10 N55. I had 500wtq on my stock clutch and was getting slip. Though the stock clutch is extremely resilient 473wtq is past its limits, be careful. A new clutch is about 400 bucks and a new DMFW is about 1200 not including labor. Don't glaze your DMFW from 473wtq. Get the 550 clutch soon or tune down your wtq asap. In the pics you can see the minor hotspots from 500wtq.

We've found that 430wtq its at its limits and this is with a CDV mod/delete. The 550 clutch should be good up to 550wtq maybe even 600. I'll know soon.
Great info boss.... Thank you for sharing.
__________________
13' EBII 335i M Sport 6MT | FBO, BM3, e30, KW, MP BBK, OEM+ | 400whp & 473wtrq

Build Thread: http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1328259
Appreciate 0
      05-18-2017, 03:39 PM   #16
Bigmo93
Private First Class
United_States
7
Rep
118
Posts

Drives: 2013 335i X Drive M Sport 6MT
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Wilton, CT

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bmw doubles View Post
The 550 is direct. I'm doing it now on my F10 N55. I had 500wtq on my stock clutch and was getting slip. Though the stock clutch is extremely resilient 473wtq is past its limits, be careful. A new clutch is about 400 bucks and a new DMFW is about 1200 not including labor. Don't glaze your DMFW from 473wtq. Get the 550 clutch soon or tune down your wtq asap. In the pics you can see the minor hotspots from 500wtq.

We've found that 430wtq its at its limits and this is with a CDV mod/delete. The 550 clutch should be good up to 550wtq maybe even 600. I'll know soon.

Thanks for the response. I'm not planning on making that much power. I guess my plans are to stay with JB4 Map 1 as I'm very content with the power. Map 2 is a stretch for me. But should I be okay with map 1 on a stock clutch. Obviously i understand it won't last as long if the car was stock. And yeah DMFW isn't cheap lol. If this day comes for me do I have to buy a 550i DMFW or is the F30 flywheel good?
Appreciate 0
      05-18-2017, 04:23 PM   #17
Bmw doubles
Dream crusher
Bmw doubles's Avatar
United_States
463
Rep
1,956
Posts

Drives: Fast
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: westside

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2011 535  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigmo93 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bmw doubles View Post
The 550 is direct. I'm doing it now on my F10 N55. I had 500wtq on my stock clutch and was getting slip. Though the stock clutch is extremely resilient 473wtq is past its limits, be careful. A new clutch is about 400 bucks and a new DMFW is about 1200 not including labor. Don't glaze your DMFW from 473wtq. Get the 550 clutch soon or tune down your wtq asap. In the pics you can see the minor hotspots from 500wtq.

We've found that 430wtq its at its limits and this is with a CDV mod/delete. The 550 clutch should be good up to 550wtq maybe even 600. I'll know soon.

Thanks for the response. I'm not planning on making that much power. I guess my plans are to stay with JB4 Map 1 as I'm very content with the power. Map 2 is a stretch for me. But should I be okay with map 1 on a stock clutch. Obviously i understand it won't last as long if the car was stock. And yeah DMFW isn't cheap lol. If this day comes for me do I have to buy a 550i DMFW or is the F30 flywheel good?
Map1, 2 or 5, if you're over 430wtq it's only a matter of time. That said, if you're not hitting the clutch hard from a dig or wot from a low gear or don't let off when you feel a slip, the clutch will probably last a long time at 473wtq. Flywheel will most likely be chassis specific it's the 550/335is as for the clutch itself that can be used on the 335/535
__________________
535i MPS2 flash 345whp/500wtq, DP, 550 clutch, UUC SSK, GFB dv, SB, Custom Exhaust, M5 Sways, Eibach OE, Koni Sports

Upcoming mod: MPS1 turbo
Appreciate 0
      05-18-2017, 04:40 PM   #18
Bigmo93
Private First Class
United_States
7
Rep
118
Posts

Drives: 2013 335i X Drive M Sport 6MT
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Wilton, CT

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bmw doubles View Post
Map1, 2 or 5, if you're over 430wtq it's only a matter of time. That said, if you're not hitting the clutch hard from a dig or wot from a low gear or don't let off when you feel a slip, the clutch will probably last a long time at 473wtq. Flywheel will most likely be chassis specific it's the 550/335is as for the clutch itself that can be used on the 335/535
Thank you for the insight. Greatly appreciated!
Appreciate 0
      06-03-2017, 08:18 PM   #19
BryanF30
First Lieutenant
29
Rep
312
Posts

Drives: black 2013 335i xdrive m-sport
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Boston

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by zinner View Post
Here is mines for comparison

2015 335i M6, the low number is stock with AFE and MPE only.
Awesome. This is what I'm looking to do. Also 6mt. How is the clutch holding up? And who tuned it?
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:04 AM.




f30post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST