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I am among the people very sad about the loss of 6mt in the GT3. The ultimate 911 for me is the 997.2 GT3 for sure. I am hoping they'll make a Cayman R(S?) with 6mt, as the cayman is a much better starting place than the 911 anyway. The 911 has gone soft/GT enough that they could probably justify the case for another segment for it these days. Certainly there's still used BMW to be bought. Ten years from now, that's going to be a trickier situation. I wanted to get my wife an e46 3 series wagon, but they're all already pretty beat... so we're going to getting her an e91 instead. It's just not possible to get a used e46 in the condition I want anymore (at least in non Ms, plenty of M3 bubble cars around still). The hunt for a no idrive, no automatic, no awd, post facelift wagon is not a short one, however. ![]() I don't even know how to respond to someone thinking an M6 is in its element on track. A video of it on the ring in no way proves anything (for that matter, the ring is a track unlike any other-- large/heavy/high power cars are way more in there element there than any other track). Quote:
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09-26-2013, 05:07 PM | #201 | |
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BMW is going the opposite direction of everyone else. It'll be interesting to see how it affects them long term. |
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09-26-2013, 05:09 PM | #202 | |
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09-26-2013, 05:26 PM | #203 | |
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I am talking about plopping down money to own a car for 5 years. When you go and drive a C250/350, an A4, G37/Q50, IS250/350 and ATS 3.6/2.0, you MAY find a couple that steer better, or a couple that have a bit less body roll. But I don't buy a steering rack, I don't buy struts and swaybars, I buy a car that is the best all around package. The F30 is still the benchmark for the segment for best all around car. I don't care about what someone is paid to write, I care about MY money and buying the best car. I have driven some TERRIBLE F30s as loaner. Xdrive soft cars with terrible steering and handling, 335 RWD Sports with terrible brakes-heavy front ends that dont seem to want to change direction as well as the 328s, horrible square all seasons, BASE cars with flat seats and floaty suspensions. But drive an MSport with staggered summer tires and a nice manual transmission and it's quite a bit better. Perfect? No. I like a bit more steering feedback and heft, things I got with lighter wheels, non RFTs and lowering springs. So who cares if the IS and ATS have SLIGHTLY better steering or a bit less body roll than with the 3 series. But in return with the 3-you get better drivetrains(a BMW hallmark), impressive fuel economy(N20 or N55), best in class acceleration(breaking into the 13's with a 328!!!), nice ergonomic interior, more cabin space-rear legroom-trunk space, Damn good looks with the MSport....and so on, the WHOLE package, BMW still has it. It's like dating vs who you marry. You don't marry a pair of tits. You marry the whole package. Not talking as a fanboi I assure you, not a BMW or F30 fanboi. But I know the old cars and new cars and there is a LOT to like about both.
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But the shopper I was in 2002 is not the shopper I am today. I wish there was one car for me, but there is not-I need two. The cars I wanted in 2002 would not be the cars I want for my DD today. In 2002, I did not care as much for a DD and the compromises those cars made(small back seats, bad gas mileage etc) meant less to me at 22. At 33, I am in a different place. BMW now makes cars for me at this time in my life. On the flip side, if I were to replace my toy and not my DD, BMW does not sell a single car I would consider.
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1M Coupe, gone, but it sounds like the M235i is likely to be similar. If you like the E46 M3 and haven't driven a 1M, you should.
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09-26-2013, 05:57 PM | #208 | |
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![]() The e60/e90 generation were ugly and had bad interiors (and the center console didn't aim at the driver, and they replaced spare tires with run flats), but they did a lot of things right. The e60 M5 in particular has a lot of things I like-- NA high revving engine, aluminum chassis, alu/mag engine, proper rack and pinion steering (way better feel than the e39's reticulating ball), etc. I would argue that the engine and chassis of the F10 is actually a technological step backwards from the e60, though I'm sure both are cheaper to make. I'm curious how old you think I am ![]() There's a LOT that's awesome about the 1M, and then one thing that kills it for me-- the engine. If they had sold a 1M with the S65... I'm pretty sure it would have been the best BMW made for my wants, ever. I would certainly have one. But, I don't like torque, I don't like lag, and I don't like overheated on track... so the turbo engine is a complete deal breaker for me.
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09-27-2013, 11:40 AM | #209 | |
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09-27-2013, 11:48 AM | #210 | |
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My F30 is just soft enough to be uber comfy, but firm enough to still be a sporting car. Trust me, with the sport suspension+H&Rs, 275mm rear PSS', it's a very cable car. It just needs a rear sway bar. But 99% will never experience such a car as dealers do not seem to stock f30s with manuals or RWD in the snow states.
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![]() I honestly don't know what I'd get if I were in that market. Hopefully I'll never have to think about it. |
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09-27-2013, 12:36 PM | #212 |
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Related to topic of thread: http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=894098
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09-27-2013, 04:59 PM | #213 | |
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10-06-2013, 04:08 PM | #214 |
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"BMW's illustrious M division built its name on cars that were light, nimble, communicative, and begging to be driven as hard as possible. The M6 is the antithesis of that ethos."
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E82 1-series = LAST of the old-school-type BMWs.
i'm glad i bought one while i can. have had it 2 weeks and its amazing. for those of you saying they don't sell anything that captures the spirit of the company----you're wrong! the E82 and E88 definitely did...but production is ending soon. BMW, as a company, is definitely about to change even more BIG TIME. Whether it's all bad or not, it remains to be seen. |
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BMW still makes the best daily drivers...period
Fast, efficient, and more comfortable than ever. But I'm not sold on their performance models anymore
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I have hopes that the F80/82 M3 will change my opinion.
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I test drove the 435i, and I am pleased to note that its handling and performance are improved over my 335i coupe, 6MT, summer performance, sports.
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11-01-2013, 08:07 PM | #219 |
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Alterman: "I... came away thinking that the BMW 5-series is now like a Toyota" 535i xDrive finishes 4th in a 4-car comparison. "...seems to have lost touch with what once made us go gaga for the model." Negatives: "Clomping ride, ponderous handling, wooden steering." Sad. On the CTS 3.6: "The best BMW that BMW doesn't build."
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Quite frankly BMW is in for a rude awakening in about 10-15 years. They have completely lost my age group. I have only met one other person my age that like BMW's. Everyone else loves Audi. Its quite obvious to me that what BMW is doing currently IS NOT attracting a younger generation. Last edited by bimmerjph; 11-03-2013 at 12:28 AM. |
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