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      07-31-2013, 05:10 PM   #1
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2014 initial reviews????

I some of you lucky guys are picking up your 2014s today or tomorrow...

And quick reviews on the nav, Launch control, sail mode, m sport brakes?

I get mind Friday or Saturday and I need this to hold me over!!!
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      07-31-2013, 05:52 PM   #2
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What's sail mode? I heard about all the other things, but that one's new to me.
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What's sail mode? I heard about all the other things, but that one's new to me.
I think it's like auto start-stop but it happens when you're coasting to save gas. Not 100% though.
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I think it's like auto start-stop but it happens when you're coasting to save gas. Not 100% though.
I think that's pretty much it... I wonder if there is a delay when you get back on the gas?
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I think it's like auto start-stop but it happens when you're coasting to save gas. Not 100% though.
Nifty in theory... probably super annoying in practice. lol
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Nifty in theory... probably super annoying in practice. lol
.... Like ASS
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.... Like ASS
Wait, I thought everyone liked the assisted steering. Man, I still can't figure out if I should be buying the DHP or not! lol
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      07-31-2013, 07:01 PM   #8
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Wait, I thought everyone liked the assisted steering. Man, I still can't figure out if I should be buying the DHP or not! lol
Definately do!
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Wait, I thought everyone liked the assisted steering. Man, I still can't figure out if I should be buying the DHP or not! lol

I think he meant ASS = Auto Start/Stop which seems *almost* universally hated on this board.
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ASS and Sail work fine on a AH3
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I think he meant ASS = Auto Start/Stop which seems *almost* universally hated on this board.
Exactly.

How do you get "adaptive steering" out of ASS? I guess there is an A and S in that haha. But yes, ASS = "Auto start/stop".

Adaptive steering is part of dynamic handling package and usually goes by "DHP"
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Exactly.

How do you get "adaptive steering" out of ASS? I guess there is an A and S in that haha. But yes, ASS = "Auto start/stop".

Adaptive steering is part of dynamic handling package and usually goes by "DHP"
Oh, I was thinking of "Adaptive Sport Steering", mixing Variable Sport Steering with Adaptive M Suspension. Doh!

Yeah, when I test drove the BMW's it was too hot to trigger the ASS so I have no idea if it's any good or not. I suspect it's probably fine for when my wife is driving in eco mode.
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I think it's like auto start-stop but it happens when you're coasting to save gas. Not 100% though.
you mean it shuts the engine off while coasting?
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      08-01-2013, 10:22 AM   #14
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Yes the sail mode happens at certain speeds/conditions while cruising. Basically acts like the auto start/stop feature (sans the need for depressing brake pedal). once throttle is re-engaged, the engine turns back on. I experienced this in a loaner active hybird3 and it was pretty pointless IMO. It barely occurred and when it did, usually only shut off for a couple seconds before kicking back in. More of an annoyance than fuel saving if you ask me.
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I don't think the engine turns off... I think the driveline disconnects and the rpms drop.
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Thought I'd post some "reviews" since there weren't any yet.

These can be found at this thread: http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14423510

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I agree with pablok, sail mode does not turn off the engine while coasting based on what I have read. It does decouple the motor from the torque converter so there is no parasitic loss or drag when coasting. You are essentially free wheeling when coasting.

Agree with OP, will be interesting to hear how this works in the real world.
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I don't think the engine turns off... I think the driveline disconnects and the rpms drop.
same as dropping to neutral in manual
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same as dropping to neutral in manual
Yep.
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same as dropping to neutral in manual
That sounds way better than AS/S, assuming it works. The sport tranny shifts super fast so I can't see the delay being all that noticeable.
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I agree with pablok, sail mode does not turn off the engine while coasting based on what I have read. It does decouple the motor from the torque converter so there is no parasitic loss or drag when coasting. You are essentially free wheeling when coasting.

Agree with OP, will be interesting to hear how this works in the real world.
Sounds like more trouble than the amount of gas it will save. I wonder if this feature cost more to put in than it will save me in gas for the lifetime of the car. I think manufacturers are offloading too much costs to the consumer because of CAFE.
Hopefully it will be reliable otherwise you will spend more money on repairing the transmission from all this decoupling than money saved in fuel efficiency.
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I think it's like auto start-stop but it happens when you're coasting to save gas.
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