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      07-10-2016, 04:31 AM   #1
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Hi All,

I have an April 2016 build F33 and I have realised that the option 430 has been changed from dimming mirrors to anti dazzle.

The difference is the passenger mirror is no longer aspheric photochromic, it is convex non photochromic. The drivers mirror remains aspheric photochromic.

I personally don't like the change as the mirrors don't look even at night.

I'm also taking this up with my dealership as I ordered option 430 dimming but received 430 anti dazzle.
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Hi All,

I have an April 2016 build F33 and I have realised that the option 430 has been changed from dimming mirrors to anti dazzle.

The difference is the passenger mirror is no longer aspheric photochromic, it is convex non photochromic. The drivers mirror remains aspheric photochromic.

I personally don't like the change as the mirrors don't look even at night.

I'm also taking this up with my dealership as I ordered option 430 dimming but received 430 anti dazzle.
We may not like it when specification changes, (particularly when not in our favour) but BMW do have small print. Typically as below.

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BMW (UK) Limited reserves the right to alter prices and specifications without notice. BMW (UK) Limited has made every effort to ensure the accuracy of information but does not accept liability for any errors or omissions.
I'd hope your dealer will offer something in compensation, as a goodwill gesture, to help smooth the disappointment.
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      07-10-2016, 09:52 AM   #3
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Hi All,

I have an April 2016 build F33 and I have realised that the option 430 has been changed from dimming mirrors to anti dazzle.

The difference is the passenger mirror is no longer aspheric photochromic, it is convex non photochromic. The drivers mirror remains aspheric photochromic.

I personally don't like the change as the mirrors don't look even at night.

I'm also taking this up with my dealership as I ordered option 430 dimming but received 430 anti dazzle.
We may not like it when specification changes, (particularly when not in our favour) but BMW do have small print. Typically as below.

Quote:
Prices and specifications
BMW (UK) Limited reserves the right to alter prices and specifications without notice. BMW (UK) Limited has made every effort to ensure the accuracy of information but does not accept liability for any errors or omissions.
I'd hope your dealer will offer something in compensation, as a goodwill gesture, to help smooth the disappointment.
BMW UK customer services said it was the responsibility of the dealership to pass on details of spec changes.

Dealership said they were unaware of the spec change at time of order or delivery. The service manager will see if it can be retrofitted or will reimburse the option cost.

I just think it's poor form that BMW do not have the facility to prevent options being selected during order being available at build. Change the spec that's fine but lock it to new orders.
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BMW UK customer services said it was the responsibility of the dealership to pass on details of spec changes.

Dealership said they were unaware of the spec change at time of order or delivery. The service manager will see if it can be retrofitted or will reimburse the option cost.

I just think it's poor form that BMW do not have the facility to prevent options being selected during order being available at build. Change the spec that's fine but lock it to new orders.
I agree it is the dealers who should be on the ball. Problem with some dealers, they don't keep up to date with all the info coming from BMW.

Car production is not a set in stone specification, its a continuously evolving process. Whether we see it always as product enhancement is debatable.

If we are on the receiving end of enhancements, say on long term orders, we can be the ones smiling. We have users who are getting next years enhancements, simply due to production dates, users who didn't expect to get them, so it is a two way street. We win some, we lose some.

I can't see how BMW can run and fix production simply on what we order months ahead, there has to be 'cut off' times to some manufacture and production. Hence the small print.
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      07-10-2016, 12:02 PM   #5
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BMW UK customer services said it was the responsibility of the dealership to pass on details of spec changes.

Dealership said they were unaware of the spec change at time of order or delivery. The service manager will see if it can be retrofitted or will reimburse the option cost.

I just think it's poor form that BMW do not have the facility to prevent options being selected during order being available at build. Change the spec that's fine but lock it to new orders.
I agree it is the dealers who should be on the ball. Problem with some dealers, they don't keep up to date with all the info coming from BMW.

Car production is not a set in stone specification, its a continuously evolving process. Whether we see it always as product enhancement is debatable.

If we are on the receiving end of enhancements, say on long term orders, we can be the ones smiling. We have users who are getting next years enhancements, simply due to production dates, users who didn't expect to get them, so it is a two way street. We win some, we lose some.

I can't see how BMW can run and fix production simply on what we order months ahead, there has to be 'cut off' times to some manufacture and production. Hence the small print.
I accept that builds are always evolving but when a car build is locked in on the system surely the build spec should be locked too. Therefore a buyer is aware of what they are getting, IF this changes during production then there should be a process to make the customer aware.
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I think this happened across the board for all productions.
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      07-11-2016, 11:47 PM   #7
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I think this happened across the board for all productions.
I think you are right, but why?
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      07-12-2016, 05:31 AM   #8
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Well, a funny thing happened when I took my 335i in for a warranty extension check-up, which included a full software update. Up until then, I never understood how the standard auto-dimming mirrors worked. For some bizarre reason, they left the factory coded off; permanently. You obviously don't miss what you never had.

Then, just yesterday after washing the car and parking into my garage with a rather harsh sunlight reflecting off my neighbour's house opposite mine, I noticed the dark tint in my mirrors, flanked by a thin rim of un-tinted glass. It quickly dawned on me that the software update restored the full specification of my F31.

How cool is that. I wonder if I should ask for compensation for missing this factory option for the first three years of ownership.
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Well, a funny thing happened when I took my 335i in for a warranty extension check-up, which included a full software update. Up until then, I never understood how the standard auto-dimming mirrors worked. For some bizarre reason, they left the factory coded off; permanently. You obviously don't miss what you never had.

Then, just yesterday after washing the car and parking into my garage with a rather harsh sunlight reflecting off my neighbour's house opposite mine, I noticed the dark tint in my mirrors, flanked by a thin rim of un-tinted glass. It quickly dawned on me that the software update restored the full specification of my F31.

How cool is that. I wonder if I should ask for compensation for missing this factory option for the first three years of ownership.
Wait, so you can recode the functionality back in?
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      07-13-2016, 03:55 AM   #10
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Well, a funny thing happened when I took my 335i in for a warranty extension check-up, which included a full software update. Up until then, I never understood how the standard auto-dimming mirrors worked. For some bizarre reason, they left the factory coded off; permanently. You obviously don't miss what you never had.

Then, just yesterday after washing the car and parking into my garage with a rather harsh sunlight reflecting off my neighbour's house opposite mine, I noticed the dark tint in my mirrors, flanked by a thin rim of un-tinted glass. It quickly dawned on me that the software update restored the full specification of my F31.

How cool is that. I wonder if I should ask for compensation for missing this factory option for the first three years of ownership.
It's really effective at night and a great option in my addition. I doubt you will get compensation though.
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Well, a funny thing happened when I took my 335i in for a warranty extension check-up, which included a full software update. Up until then, I never understood how the standard auto-dimming mirrors worked. For some bizarre reason, they left the factory coded off; permanently. You obviously don't miss what you never had.

Then, just yesterday after washing the car and parking into my garage with a rather harsh sunlight reflecting off my neighbour's house opposite mine, I noticed the dark tint in my mirrors, flanked by a thin rim of un-tinted glass. It quickly dawned on me that the software update restored the full specification of my F31.

How cool is that. I wonder if I should ask for compensation for missing this factory option for the first three years of ownership.
Wait, so you can recode the functionality back in?
Only if you have the wiring and photochromic mirror
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Only if you have the wiring and photochromic mirror
Ah, got it, so I'd have to replace the mirror to do that.
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      07-14-2016, 02:15 AM   #13
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Only if you have the wiring and photochromic mirror
Ah, got it, so I'd have to replace the mirror to do that.
And have the necessary wiring within the harness
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      07-14-2016, 05:49 AM   #14
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It's really effective at night and a great option in my addition. I doubt you will get compensation though.
Yes, I know. It's a revelation. I knew my car was equipped with it, but never figured how it worked. Now I know.
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