[Harryg]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...convicted.html


Is it always BMW drivers what fit these things.


Plonkers saves getting caught speeding costs a bit though

[RobUK]

The name 'Speed Cheetah' kinda gives it away. Besides, why fit something and claim it helps you park when the car is fitted with parking sensors already?

[mikeoz]

Yeah this is about the 3rd one of recent times on here.

[TaranF32]

I don't advocate inappropriate speeding, but it seems the police have plenty of resources to investigate people using laser jamming devices and having 'safety' camera vans parked for hours on end at the side of the road.
However, when it comes to peoples vehicles being vandalised or goods being stolen, they seemingly 'don't have the resources to investigate further'

Moreover, the court's will hand thieve's who have on multiple occasions stolen £1000's of goods, community orders and small fines. Where as in the case above, the motorist is handed a 9 month suspended prison sentence as well as a £2000 fine.

It's a highly debatable topic, but when the police launch investigations into low level crimes like this, and they complain about lack of funding/resources when it comes to criminal damage to personal property, it just gets under my skin.

[teaston]

Originally Posted by TaranF32

I don't advocate inappropriate speeding, but it seems the police have plenty of resources to investigate people using laser jamming devices and having 'safety' camera vans parked for hours on end at the side of the road.
However, when it comes to peoples vehicles being vandalised or goods being stolen, they seemingly 'don't have the resources to investigate further'

Moreover, the court's will hand thieve's who have on multiple occasions stolen £1000's of goods, community orders and small fines. Where as in the case above, the motorist is handed a 9 month suspended prison sentence as well as a £2000 fine.

It's a highly debatable topic, but when the police launch investigations into low level crimes like this, and they complain about lack of funding/resources when it comes to criminal damage to personal property, it just gets under my skin.

But then I suppose stealing stuff doesn’t kill people, speeding in 30 limits does kill many people a year.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by TaranF32

I don't advocate inappropriate speeding, but it seems the police have plenty of resources to investigate people using laser jamming devices and having 'safety' camera vans parked for hours on end at the side of the road.
However, when it comes to peoples vehicles being vandalised or goods being stolen, they seemingly 'don't have the resources to investigate further'

Moreover, the court's will hand thieve's who have on multiple occasions stolen £1000's of goods, community orders and small fines. Where as in the case above, the motorist is handed a 9 month suspended prison sentence as well as a £2000 fine.

It's a highly debatable topic, but when the police launch investigations into low level crimes like this, and they complain about lack of funding/resources when it comes to criminal damage to personal property, it just gets under my skin.

I understand and agree with many of your sentiments but the argument is these individuals are not being prosecuted for speeding, they're being prosecuted for attempting to Pervert the Course of Justice and that's seen as a very serious offence because it seeks to undermine the justice system. Personally I think escalating the use of a jammer to PCoJ is a huge sledgehammer to crack a nut but, in the absence of any specific law against jammer use, arguably the authorities have nowhere else to go with it.

They could of course turn a blind eye and not follow-up these cases but North Yorkshire have invested a significant amount of money in establishing their camera van fleet and if word got around you could drive past them with impunity if you had a laser jammer fitted the business model and project would unravel quite quickly. Therefore, they probably feel they have to make examples of at least some offenders in order to deter others from fitting these devices and it's certainly worked in my case as I'd fit one if I thought I could get away with it; however, a criminal record - possibly accompanied by time in prison - together with a significant fine doesn't seem like a risk worth taking just to avoid a Speed Awareness Course!

I agree it might seem bizarre and draconian but the way North Yorkshire view the use of laser jammers is well known; therefore, if you fit and use one in the County you do so at your peril......

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by teaston

But then I suppose stealing stuff doesn’t kill people, speeding in 30 limits does kill many people a year.

If you look at the KSI statistics you'll see that the number killed or seriously injured on North Yorkshire's roads has changed little if at all since the camera van fleet was introduced; therefore, there's no real evidence to support the idea that additional speed limit enforcement has made our roads safer.

Why might that be? Well, if you look at the locations used by the North Yorkshire camera van fleet many of their more lucrative hunting grounds are nowhere near 30mph limits or accident blackspots and are instead on roads where it's just easy (but also relatively safe) to speed. Sitting on bridges over the A1M snapping people for doing 80mph generates lots of NIP's but (IMHO) does little or nothing to improve road safety.

[Harryg]

Originally Posted by TaranF32

I don't advocate inappropriate speeding, but it seems the police have plenty of resources to investigate people using laser jamming devices and having 'safety' camera vans parked for hours on end at the side of the road.
However, when it comes to peoples vehicles being vandalised or goods being stolen, they seemingly 'don't have the resources to investigate further'

Moreover, the court's will hand thieve's who have on multiple occasions stolen £1000's of goods, community orders and small fines. Where as in the case above, the motorist is handed a 9 month suspended prison sentence as well as a £2000 fine.

It's a highly debatable topic, but when the police launch investigations into low level crimes like this, and they complain about lack of funding/resources when it comes to criminal damage to personal property, it just gets under my skin.

As JNW1 states its for going out purposely fitting these jammers that they are being prosecuted for and so they should.

People speed some do it regularly and get away with it some do it by distraction and are caught so its possible to show some sympathy but people that deliberately fit one of these devices to evade capture deserve the penalties imposed.


I know in my area you can go on the website and it will tell you where the vans are going to be situated costs nothing

[Oceanic]

I had one on my CSL but sold it with the car, didn't bother getting another one as I didn't go through one speed trap after fitting it to the CSL

[aquazi]

So its basically cheaper and safer to remove your front plate if you want to evade the law.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by teaston

But then I suppose stealing stuff doesn’t kill people, speeding in 30 limits does kill many people a year.

I'd wager that if I followed you around for week with a speed gun you'd be banned by the end of it via a totting up of speeding offences.

Unless of course you bought a 326hp car and then tuned it to close to 400hp just to trundle around at or below the speed limit.

[bimmer456]

Sporting tickets and related revenue will be a thing if the past with the mandatory speed limiters.

[ossi1]

She denied it and came up with some BS story, went to trial and got a suspended sentence.

This guy simply admits it,said he was worried about points and gets two months in the slammer ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-47819277

Same force, same offence. My guess is the daft sod had some previous that resulted in jail time.

[mikeoz]

Originally Posted by JNW1

If you look at the KSI statistics you'll see that the number killed or seriously injured on North Yorkshire's roads has changed little if at all since the camera van fleet was introduced; therefore, there's no real evidence to support the idea that additional speed limit enforcement has made our roads safer.

Why might that be? Well, if you look at the locations used by the North Yorkshire camera van fleet many of their more lucrative hunting grounds are nowhere near 30mph limits or accident blackspots and are instead on roads where it's just easy (but also relatively safe) to speed. Sitting on bridges over the A1M snapping people for doing 80mph generates lots of NIP's but (IMHO) does little or nothing to improve road safety.

Yeah we have a similar hotspot for a van on a bridge over the A1 south just before the Huntingdon split

[mikeoz]

Originally Posted by ossi1

She denied it and came up with some BS story, went to trial and got a suspended sentence.

This guy simply admits it,said he was worried about points and gets two months in the slammer ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-47819277

Same force, same offence. My guess is the daft sod had some previous that resulted in jail time.

Also she is female...they dont like jailing women and are even scoping to get rid of most female prisons now.
My advice is to turn up at Court and self identify as a women..

[JD6]

Originally Posted by mikeoz

Also she is female...they dont like jailing women and are even scoping to get rid of most female prisons now.
My advice is to turn up at Court and self identify as a women..

One of my former colleagues did just that and got off. He did have to go a bit beyond identifying as a woman though...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...0m-charge.html

[Consett Mag]

Unless I've remembered it wrong, a speed awareness course last year advised me that number of the most serious accidents occurred in towns, with the fewest on motorways.
So Yorkshire police regularly have a fleet of camera vans on the flyovers on the A1M, ticketing 80+mph.

They must be raking it in.

Doubt it saves many lives though.

[TaranF32]

Originally Posted by JNW1

I understand and agree with many of your sentiments but the argument is these individuals are not being prosecuted for speeding, they're being prosecuted for attempting to Pervert the Course of Justice and that's seen as a very serious offence because it seeks to undermine the justice system. Personally I think escalating the use of a jammer to PCoJ is a huge sledgehammer to crack a nut but, in the absence of any specific law against jammer use, arguably the authorities have nowhere else to go with it.

They could of course turn a blind eye and not follow-up these cases but North Yorkshire have invested a significant amount of money in establishing their camera van fleet and if word got around you could drive past them with impunity if you had a laser jammer fitted the business model and project would unravel quite quickly. Therefore, they probably feel they have to make examples of at least some offenders in order to deter others from fitting these devices and it's certainly worked in my case as I'd fit one if I thought I could get away with it; however, a criminal record - possibly accompanied by time in prison - together with a significant fine doesn't seem like a risk worth taking just to avoid a Speed Awareness Course!

Agreed, it seems excessive that they are stretching the use of laser jammers as PCoJ, and the threat of prison has certainly dissuaded myself from fitting one to my vehicle. But with these 'safety' camera vans being dotted all over the country and usually hidden behind corners/bushes on the side of A roads or on top of motorway bridges, it really brings into question how far the government is going to take this 'war on the motorist'.
I agree that the use of inappropriate speed can be lethal and that 30mph limits in built up area's should be adhered to. When it comes to hiding speed camera vans on roads that are perfectly safe to do 80mph such as motorways and certain A roads then they're taking the p1ss.

Suppose I'll just have to stick to Waze and hope I'm quick enough to spot them!

[RobUK]

Originally Posted by JD6

One of my former colleagues did just that and got off. He did have to go a bit beyond identifying as a woman though...

Just claim you don't know how the offside rule works

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by Consett Mag

Unless I've remembered it wrong, a speed awareness course last year advised me that number of the most serious accidents occurred in towns, with the fewest on motorways.
So Yorkshire police regularly have a fleet of camera vans on the flyovers on the A1M, ticketing 80+mph.

They must be raking it in.

Doubt it saves many lives though.

Just to back-up what you're saying, an (admittedly extreme!) example from the data log on the North Yorkshire Police website shows that on 24th February 2018 they had a camera van on the bridge over the A1M at Boroughbridge (J48) looking at the Northbound carriageway. It was there for just 15 minutes yet in that time generated NIP's for 120 Speed Awareness Courses plus another 46 more serious speeding offences; making our roads safer or generating revenue to fund their model?!

[mikeoz]

Originally Posted by JNW1

Just to back-up what you're saying, an (admittedly extreme!) example from the data log on the North Yorkshire Police website shows that on 24th February 2018 they had a camera van on the bridge over the A1M at Boroughbridge (J48) looking at the Northbound carriageway. It was there for just 15 minutes yet in that time generated NIP's for 120 Speed Awareness Courses plus another 46 more serious speeding offences; making our roads safer or generating revenue to fund their model?!

15 mins

[bishbosh]

Originally Posted by Consett Mag

Unless I've remembered it wrong, a speed awareness course last year advised me that number of the most serious accidents occurred in towns, with the fewest on motorways.
So Yorkshire police regularly have a fleet of camera vans on the flyovers on the A1M, ticketing 80+mph.

They must be raking it in.

Doubt it saves many lives though.

I drive to Co Durham approx twice a month, but in those times I've only seen coppers on the bridges a few times but never by the side of the road. Between Drax and Scotch Corner I know where the laybys are so always keep an eye out for the cash machines. Daft thing is that part of the A1 is fairly quiet and is quite safe to do 80 when the conditions allow.

It's one of the few roads that hasn't been bastardised by HADECS cameras either!