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The next gen C-class probably won't cos it's already too far down the line to change anything, assuming they didn't take this test in consideration during the development process, which started not long after the F30.
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in another video they show how the lincoln's steering wheel airbag and side curtain barely deployed in the right areas and the dummies head was totally unprotected but the BMW in this case did incredible in protecting the drivers head from the accident. weel done, honestly.
hahaahahahhahahha, thats too funny holy shit.
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I saw this on the news yesterday morning and I think its great!
Only good can come from these new tests
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Why?, do you crash cars often?.
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Wow, this topic has moved on since yesterday. Seems to be some very alarmist views against BMW, considering this impact test is not part of the industry standard test regime.
I'm all for moving on, but when we have a test like this put in the melting pot, there will always be a wide range of results, but does it mean a car is less safe, in the way we appear to see panic here. I've spent much of my career in the safety business and nothing is that straight forward when we first look at new test results. BTW, I see nothing in the NCAP roadplan that particularly indicates this type of test was on the horizon. I'll research that a bit more. I must come back on this thread when I've thought it through a bit more. But I pose a "food for thought" comment. How many car users ever think how their wheel size choice will impact (excuse the pun) on the type of test you are looking at in the videos. I suggest we think seriously about going back to the smallest rims and having more rubber. Also what about engine choice and how that affects any corner impact, weight/mass, etc. Yes, user choices and options (on any particular model) could make a difference to the safety of their car, there are so many variables. HighlandPete Last edited by HighlandPete; 08-15-2012 at 03:26 AM.. |
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The problem here I think is that Volvo performed well on this test, and BMW did not.
Maybe BMW are focusing too much on modern line, M-edition and other marketing issues, while Volvo was spending time engineering a safe car for their costumers, performing better safety-wise than just passing the tests. |
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Some of the responses here crack me up.
ZOMG THE BMW DIDN'T COME OUT ON TOP SO THERE'S SOME KIND OF VAST CONSPIRACY AT BMW TO PUT COSTS FIRST AND SAFETY SECOND!! ACURA MUST HAVE GOTTEN LUCKY BECAUSE THEY SUCK, AND OH YEAH... VOLVOS ARE UGLY, SO NAAAAAAAH! Get some perspective, folks. This is a new test. Auto-makers (with a few exceptions) design for the tests. Kudos to Volvo and Acura (TL) for their strong performance. This isn't a contest. It's a crash test. You don't need to cry yourself to sleep because a Volvo "beat" your BMW in some test. Get a grip! The IIHS added this test because: 1) They've seen an increase in this type of accident. 2) They know that auto-makers will prioritize designs that pass tests. Neither of these are bad things. The fact remains that just about any car you buy today is safer than the car you could buy 10 years ago. The IIHS is doing the right thing by adapting their tests to insurance claim data. Outside of accident reports, that's the most direct method of assessing accident trends. If this test stays in, expect BMW to make adjustments. It's as simple as that. The car you bought doesn't have to be "the best" in every category imaginable. Take a deep breath. Go outside. Take a drive in your car. Everything is going to be OK.
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That ugly hood was made like that to improve the score on the European pedestrian crash tests. Basically its raked like that so it scoops the pedestrians on impact. Fact is the tests are kind of realistic when you imagine avoidance maneuvers. Not many accidents are head on, most are offset by drivers attempts to avoid the collision. Now we know what the plastic fenders do for BMW which is nothing. Personally I hate that they are so prone to cracking on the E9X. Note the E9X M3 did not use plastic in the fenders? Now they will go back and fix this for next year's model and you bet the M3\4 will be better still. Watch for a $1500 price hike on existing models next year.
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Whatever this test was, new or old, proven or unproven, legitimate or not - there were winners and losers, and BMW was one of the losers.
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Sounds to me you are the type of person who's always so eager to throw the first rock... A lot of things you said, you make it sound like it was very simple and it was so predictable... It's always easy to assume after the facts... From my point of view, this is a first shot that is bringing attentions to everyone and so things will be worked on from here on... I would say that practically all of those cars were not design to incorporates means to protect from this specific scenario. Only the Volvo was properly equiped/designed. Everyone else was a luck of the draw and circumstance. Regarding the BMW, If it wasn't for the wheel being stuck there, things would have been much better. The F30 is still a very good Modern car (with all the compromises that goes with it)
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You should just do that.........
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Hold on a minute...
Certainly BMW engineers should and will address the new crash test result. But please note the following:
1) Unlike most manufacturers who only focus with varying degrees of interest in passive safety - what happens if the vehicle is involved in a collision? - BMW targets active safety. Brake drying, brake assist, brake stand-by, bigger, bolder braking systems, 50-50 weight distribution all contribute to avoiding the impact. 2) As for passive safety, BMW looks at all 360 degrees of potential crash intersection and attempts to design a vehicle with the best all around passive safety. Most companies engineer to pass the limited tests and the known angle or angles of impact employed by testing agencies. Again, BMW should learn from the rsults of this test. But, to conclude that the overall safety is less than another brand, such as Volvo, because of this one result, is to misunderstand everything BMW does to avoid such incidents and everythimg the brand does to survive all potential areas of impact around the full circumference of the vehicle. Respectfully Submitted. |
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My position is not that this test changes the overall safety situation for BMW - it's only one test and too soon to tell, as you and others have said. I do think that this is a test that Volvo passed and BMW didn't, which, if you are the head of the BMW safety engineering group, is not a good thing.
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The other issue here is how little space there is between the front wheel and the passenger cell on some of these cars. And can you imagine on a small hatchback!???? The wheel would push back right into the passenger. Look at the VW CC video -- the car that scores so badly: ... the passenger cell is VERY close to the front wheel. No wonder it does so badly. Last edited by krusty; 08-16-2012 at 03:05 PM.. |
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Don't forget the current Euro NCAP frontal impact test is a 40% offset, in its time, arrived at looking at accident statistics. So now we move on, based on revised statistics (at least another set of accident statistics) and so will the 'steer' of manufacturers. Looking under the surface, it is clear even organizations like Euro NCAP have concerns on how the manufacturers are testing to get top results in the NCAP tests, and how it can draw attention away from other areas of safety. But to be fair, that is always the way when specific test standards are the focus, often too simplistic. Euro NCAP recognises that there are limitations to the current testing, one area of concern is how a real car to car collision will end in practice. Get our heads around that one, what and how we hit it, the affect on occupants and on the impacted vehicle and its occupants. Imagine how extensive any testing would have to be to have any significant meaning. Let alone build the car that copes with all the variables. Compatibility between dissimilar vehicles is not addressed in the current frontal test. Elementary stuff in reality, so we still have a long way to go with passive safety. Even while car companies are looking more at active safety and accident avoidance systems, which in reality will likely do more to cope with all the variables, than trying to make the all encompassing safety cell. HighlandPete |
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Exactly should be the goal when in a situation like this. My dad, retired fighter pilot, saved him and my mom from major injury exactly centering the car, opel astra, when hitting a telephone pole. We are all not fighter pilots but centering is key if potential is there. |
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