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But when we are talking about the M3/4 and M2, there should be only real sound, these are the cars for the enthusiasts. It's about the principle too, I will not accept this and turn it off anyway, but I want that BMW focus on real sound during the development. And I'm not the only one. Most people don't know it so there's no problem for them, but if they would know, there would be one. It's ridiculous to say the car does sound so good when it's just recorded. When we only got electric cars to choose from, then nobody will say anything against it, but now we are happily far away from that. Last edited by jackmcclane; 10-11-2013 at 11:37 AM.. |
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I drove the MP4-12C and 458 back to back and I felt like the 12C was clearly the better performer, but lacked the 458's emotion from the NA V8. That said, I'd still purchase the 12C over the 458 because for me the performance makes up for whatever it gives away in exhaust note comparisons. Who knows, maybe M4's performance and driving experience will be enough for you to overlook that it no longer produces the raw sound of a screaming NA V8. BMW might have to develop a different solution that doesn't use the vehicle's speakers. As previously stated, a lot of manufacturers are now using sound generators but it seems BMW may get extra criticism because ASD produces recorded sound though the speakers. Maybe BMW chose that solution because it's easier/cheaper to control the sound ASD produces that way? The sound generators employed by other manufacturers may not be pre-recorded, but they're still amplifying and altering the sound so it's a stretch to say they're "real" sounds.
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Why is ASD different than all the cast wheels that end up on M's, or the plastic pieces affixed to make it 'look good', or any of the options that add weight with no return on performance, ...... ? Don't you think that BMW doesn't look at what sells? Including how people configure their cars? Just take a look at many of the sigs of those responding to this thread. Personally, I don't like ASD, so I turned if off. Very minor change, still plenty of engine sound to enjoy. Pick your battles carefully: weight, handling and a much longer list of other things should be what you're talking about. |
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It's not easy with turbos I know, but with less damping, a sound tunnel from the engine bay to the cabin and something like that, we would get the real sound... maybe it's just too late to discuss about it since it comes even more and more and like bjayfan said, this type of enthusiast which I'm describing which do not accept ASD is such a small group. I think the most people don't know it and even doesn't notice it, because BMW implanted it so good. ...but if they would know, they wouldn't want it. Last edited by jackmcclane; 10-11-2013 at 01:25 PM.. |
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Since a M car is no real sports car in my eyes like for example a 911 GT3, I've got no problem with some good looking plastic pieces or something like that. Except it's an fake air breather or an empty power dome... etc. Yeah for sure there are some other even more important things than the ASD, but that's something myself and some others have a big problem with. If I can turn it off too on my next BMW, I'll do it. But when BMW takes only the easy way to get the sound, then we will hear almost nothing when it's turned off. |
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10-11-2013, 01:29 PM | #52 | |
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But until then, if they don't equip all their cars with LED lights (at N/C), they'll fall behind Audi and Merc. Who, by the way have softer seats, so we should have them. But Porsche has better bolsters on their seats, so maybe we should have them. Then again, these present, badge whore BMW buyers mostly use that newfangled DCT, which was created by Satan, and not the Be One With Thine Machine 6MT, which cowboys used to herd cattle and Patton used to beat Hitler. And these F32's have those hideous Bimmerangs, so a good alternative is the C 07, with the gigantic Cheverangs. And i might have to get a GT-R because of that god awful hood cut line, even though the GT-R has it too. I'll NEVER get rid of my NA V8 either, even though the F8X will outperform it in every way. It's like listening to a symphony! Even though i did get the enhanced sound package...which btw should be standard on a $70K car! And don't get me started on that glued on iPad nav screen, instead of the beloved hump. Maybe I'll get an M4 and put a RSGT3AMG badge on it, so people will think I'm an enthusiast. ...or maybe I'll just bitch about everything...yeah, that it! |
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10-11-2013, 03:16 PM | #53 |
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Just a pretty weird "deal breaker". I can understand drivetrain, weight, price, appearance, gas mileage, power, boosted or not, safety, AWD, hell even phone integration, etc... being a "deal breaker". But one option in iDrive that you don't have to have activated? It's like if I bought an Audi over my current car because I don't like having album art on my media screen.
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Well, that obviously makes you one rare exception of a driver. I salute you. But what the both of us believe does not matter to BMW shareholders. Sales is the name of the game. If other people are doing it, they will do it and do it better to move another car off the lot. Having said that, and I am not saying that I agree with this technology, but I could barely tell it's even there in my 2013 GTI. I am very pleased with the way the car sounds. The active sound (sound-aktor) is not at all intrusive. So it may be worth giving the next generation of M's the benefit of the doubt? It goes without saying that some will like it, and some won't. Let's not forget that one of the early complaints form f10 M5 owners was ... wait for it ... not enough cabin engine/exhaust sounds. |
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I also thought that to get it "OFF", portions of the audio system were no longer operational? Regardless, I am of the mind that if the sound is REAL--aka, coming from my own engine, and they're piping into the cabin, that's one thing and is more acceptable. However, if the sound is coming through the speakers and is recorded....well, that's just stupid. Almost as stupid as creating such a system without an ON/OFF button that doesn't require an internet tutorial from a forum member to figure it out. This feature won't keep me from buying the car. But it's pretty bogus, and based on the principle that if you want the car to sound nice in the cabin, then build the cabin in a manner consistent with that result in mind. Not a tough principle to see, at least in my opinion. My $.02
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My $0.02 is the party responsible for this silliness is the same uptight Europeans that also passed legislation that gave us the overly cautious pedestrian impact regulation/bulging hoodline. The real issue is the strict sound level laws vehicles have to adhere to.
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It's SUPER easy to turn it off and with all the complaining, I'm sure all these people will do it.
Step 1: Strip your interior (including stereo) Step 2: Enjoy your uncomfortable but faster BMW Now THAT'S an M Car. All that sound deadening, electric whizbangs... Yuck! Put your money where your mouth is. |
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Just curious, is it possible to remove sound deadening without wrecking the interior?
I thought about doing this years ago with old acura for a totally different reason. Water got into the interior of the car from driving though deep water, and was concerned about having soaked sound deadening that would never dry. |
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Just listen to the natural sound inside the cabin of the BMW 1M Coupé in this video: (BMW starts at 2:17)
It isn't as good/loud as in the past M3's, (because of the Turbo's, we all know that) but it has no ASD and in my opinion it sounds very good. That's what I want for the upcoming M2 (GC) (and for the M3/4 as well), but I fear there will be no choice when it comes from the factory, but there will and must be a way to turn that off. |
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I agree. I had spent almost a full day going from dealer to dealer test driving cars while looking for a DD. My last stop was a Ford dealer as I wanted to test the Fusion. The ST caught my eye so I figured what the hell, I'll take it for a quick spin. Lol, that was it... I knew I was going to buy it just 5 minutes into the test drive. Insanely fun hatchback that makes my commute more enjoyable.
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So this past week, I drove an Audi SQ5, which also has active sound. It is my understanding that it is also an amplification of the current engine sound, not pre-recorded. You even can set how much volume you want to hear.
I have to say, did not sound unnatural at all. I have heard this engine many times in the S4, and I have to say that it simply sounded like an S4 with an exhaust system. Quite good. |
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