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You guys should just buy a 4 series/GC to get the Xenons
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False. The CLA and GLA don't, but the rest of the line-up absolutely does. |
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Weirdly the LEDs in the F20 LCI look like projectors? http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps6phios8y.jpg http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/attac...1&d=1429477330 Last edited by Weiman; 05-13-2015 at 02:36 PM.. |
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Which much like the previous generation C Class, the combo of halogen headlights and led accents look horribly cheap IMO.
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I see. So the non-adaptive light LED for the F30 LCI doesn't even have the ability to swivel like most BMW Xenon lights have had for some time now. You have to upgrade to the optional adaptive light get that feature. In other words there is give and take here - although the full LED headlight is now standard on the 340i, it has given up some features that were previously provided with the standard Xenon on the 335i.
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Mercedes Benz has Halogen headlights as standard on the CLA,GLA,GLK,GL,M,C,and E class.....they are just as bad if not worse than BMW if you consider your paying 50K plus for some of those models and you still have to option in the "lighting Package".
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05-14-2015, 01:07 AM | #76 | |
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For me, personally I'd take the adaptive Xenon headlights over non-adaptive LED and I don't want to pay extra for that kind of stuff in this price range. Change is not always good. I hope these LCI upgrades will bring something good like ya'll are expecting. So lets be optimistic.
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Also I have personally seen a new C300 with halogen low beam headlights on. I'm not sure what you think this has to do with kool aid since this is not a subjective discussion. Just take the L instead of continuing this nonsense. Last edited by tallshortguy; 05-14-2015 at 09:17 AM.. |
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none of the systems are complex. LED's, xenons, key-less start, etc......its all cheap to manufacture...thats why you'll find it on sub $20k cars!!! but the luxury car companies want us to pay for it
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A little background on adaptive LEDs:
Adaptive headlights shine the light precisely The first fully integrated high-brightness LED matrix manager IC for adaptive automotive headlight systems from Texas Instruments is a coup for the entire automotive industry but it wasn’t without its challenges. Adaptive high beams have been available in Europe for several years but the initial implementations were complicated, consisting of bulky discrete circuits, including multiple transistors, motors and actuators, gate drivers and glue logic to create a very coarse electrically steerable high beam. While revolutionary at the time, it was also obvious that this capability was in its infancy and future generations of headlamps would further improve and refine this functionality. The challenge for TI was to recognize and invest in this application early on, and then to take these bulky discrete circuits and create an integrated approach with sufficient modularity and flexibility to meet OEM requirements for differentiation across their models and trim levels. The need for adaptive headlights was obvious but it couldn’t be done as well with bulb technology and had to wait for the LED lamp to come of age. The LED enables electrical steering of light and intensity. This enabled safety and convenience and at the same time OEMs could benefit from signature styling/branding as a result. The adaptive headlight gave the driver of a car greater road distance visibility because the high beams could be always on and showing selective areas while dimming lighting to oncoming traffic. It provides improved visibility around corners by responding to steering wheel inputs and lighting the roadway where the automobile is going. The technology can also hyper-illuminate road debris, pedestrians or other hazards providing the driver more time to react. While these new designs are appearing today in cars throughout Europe, the U.S. headlamp regulations have been slow to adopt these automatic headlamps. The product development for the adaptive headlight LED matrix manager had a core team of 12 engineers worked together over a three year period to develop and launch it. Driven from TI’s design facility in Colorado, the team included design, layout, test, production, application, system, and firmware engineers working closely with TI’s global sales force in conjunction with inputs from OEMs and suppliers to bring the TPS92661-Q1 to market.
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standard LED light should be almost as cheap as halogen to produce. That should be a standard option with adaptive version as upgrade. The whole halogen BS is just a way to get people to pay more for something "sexier".
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Most people around the world dont pay the extra, so most BMW's get halogens around the world.
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Now divide the low cost of manufacture between tens of millions of Toyotas fitted with the system while with the BMW one you can only divide it by a million or so. You will quickly see there is a great cost difference between the 2.And even the "cheap" one is not so cheap to produce as many seem to think (Yes, I have done a lot of cost system work in the automotive industry.)
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I can ask you the same thing. Have you done cost analysis of LED VS Halogen headlights? Everuone here agrees that adaptive headlights are expensive to produce, but simply changing lightbulb from halogen to LED shouldnt cost $1000. |
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How much difference in price is there in that 40 watt incandescent light bulb and the LED equivalent at your local Home Depot? 40w incandescent, $1.75; LED, $9.50.
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Yes, but with headlights its was on the full import cost of Halogens vs Xenons as those are one of the parts we dont produce in country for the motor manufacturers like BMW, Mercedes, Toyota ect ect The BMW LED 's are far from just changing the lightbulb from halogen to LED. Not sure about how Toyota does it, but BMW oness are a completely different headlight and controller.
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They were so bad, that they were a key reason I traded to a 2012 335i to get the adaptive headlights. |
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