11-10-2018, 04:49 AM | #89 |
Major
632
Rep 1,333
Posts |
CSL's will be great but like Porsche GT cars expect limited run and sky high price. Add at least 20% to CS price. Probably priced even higher than GTS models. Great halo cars but very few people will own or experience them. Many will go into collections or to speculators hoping for a big profit in secondary market.
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-10-2018, 05:40 AM | #90 | ||
Colonel
4854
Rep 2,446
Posts
Drives: 2022 M3 6MT
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: New Jersey
|
Quote:
__________________
2022 M3 6MT - Portimao Blue Metallic
2022 X3 M40i - Tanzanite Blue Metallic |
||
Appreciate
0
|
11-10-2018, 06:25 AM | #91 |
drunk poster
6608
Rep 3,649
Posts |
BMW is doing this because they've realized that there only nine digits in the Arabic numeral system unless they eventually do an M0. And of course, they're stuck with M as the first letter.
Personally, I'd prefer if they went to decimals instead of tacking on so many bullshit letters and words at the end. Saves on badge plastic and makes the trunk lids a lot less cluttered. Sign me up for an M3.14 at least. In the G80 generation, I heard they will be as easy as pi to drive fast, you won't even feel the sensation of speed. Although I might splurge for the extra 20hp in the M3.69 |
Appreciate
1
///M4ster Yoda4600.50 |
11-10-2018, 06:41 AM | #92 | |
Captain
209
Rep 741
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
Appreciate
1
Who's on first2496.50 |
11-10-2018, 06:53 AM | #94 | ||
Brigadier General
3665
Rep 3,422
Posts |
Quote:
Quote:
I think M is slicing it pretty thin between the Competition and CS, but if legit CSL models hit our shores I'm cool with them making the lineup as messy and profitable as they like...
__________________
M4 GTS, GT3, C63 S | E90 M3s, E39 M5
|
||
Appreciate
0
|
11-10-2018, 07:09 AM | #95 |
Colonel
3792
Rep 2,705
Posts |
At the end its always about the $$ anyways. Every decision they make as a reason.
__________________
Fun/HPDE: 2023 M3 6MT Individual Malachite
Past:2023 M4 CSL, 2022 M4C Vert, 2020 M340i, 2018 M2, 2015 M235i, 2008 135i 550whp Daily: 2023 X5 45e Daily/Family: 2021 Atlas Cross Sport 3.6 |
Appreciate
0
|
11-10-2018, 07:11 AM | #96 |
Major
632
Rep 1,333
Posts |
E9 CSL production worldwide 1265
M3 CSL production worldwide 1358 So these are very small production high price vehicles in 2004 a new M3 CSL was £59,000 !! |
Appreciate
1
Brake_Late1936.00 |
11-10-2018, 07:29 AM | #97 | |
Lieutenant General
3790
Rep 10,545
Posts |
Quote:
There are plenty of consumers who will pay for a M-badge and who have no intention of ever tracking the car.
__________________
"Drive more, worry less. "
435i, MPPK, MPE, M-Sport Line |
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-10-2018, 07:50 AM | #98 | |
///M3
388
Rep 1,125
Posts |
Quote:
///M Dilution |
|
Appreciate
1
///M4ster Yoda4600.50 |
11-10-2018, 09:14 AM | #99 |
Captain
378
Rep 647
Posts |
|
Appreciate
1
Brake_Late1936.00 |
11-10-2018, 09:17 AM | #100 | |
Lieutenant General
4986
Rep 10,210
Posts
Drives: 2024 Golf R / 718 SRS (on way)
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Dallas, TX
|
Quote:
But I agree - that’s on a whole other planet from a pricing perspective. My ZCP was ~77k in March 2017. Hard to imagine paying more than 30K additional a very similar car. I’m glad they’re making these other versions of M cars, but the pricing seems to be too aggressive...
__________________
Past rides: 2022 718 Spyder, 2022 MINI JCW, 2016 981 BGTS, 2020 MINI JCW, 2017 F80, 2015 981 CS, 2014 F22 235, 2011 E82 135, 2008 E82 135, 2007 E92 328, 2007 E92 328 (My lady drives an OG M2. So does my dad)
|
|
Appreciate
3
|
11-10-2018, 10:52 AM | #101 |
Major General
1607
Rep 8,074
Posts
Drives: 11 E90 M3 Individual
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Houston, TX
|
Lol...M for the racetrack. :
That's a good one BMW...needed a laugh this morning!
__________________
2018 F30 320iX Melbourne Red
2011 E90 M3 Monte Carlo Blue 2004 E46 M3 Imola Red 2000 E36/7 Z3 Steel Blue |
Appreciate
1
///M TOWN31311.00 |
11-10-2018, 11:10 AM | #102 | |
Moderator
31634
Rep 13,319
Posts |
Quote:
Nothing's written in stone and things ebb and flow as time goes by. There are signs to expect a cool M2 cat being let out of the bag closer to the end of the F87 life cycle.
__________________
///M is art ↔ Artemis
|
|
11-10-2018, 11:17 AM | #103 |
Major
429
Rep 1,056
Posts |
This is lame. Makes business sense extracting more value from an existing platform. I suppose it actually reflects that BMW owners are lame because people are buying cars for the badge.
Not dissimilar to the Porsche strategy at all. How many people track those cars or even approach the limits... 1%? |
Appreciate
0
|
11-10-2018, 11:23 AM | #104 | |
Banned
4601
Rep 4,265
Posts |
Quote:
|
|
11-10-2018, 11:24 AM | #105 | |
Moderator
31634
Rep 13,319
Posts |
Quote:
OK, back on topic.
__________________
///M is art ↔ Artemis
|
|
Appreciate
1
///M4ster Yoda4600.50 |
11-10-2018, 12:44 PM | #106 |
Major General
5697
Rep 5,305
Posts |
So basic M is going to be relegated to what Audi's S line has become...they'll charge more and more however they can I guess!
__________________
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-10-2018, 01:10 PM | #107 |
First Lieutenant
26
Rep 365
Posts |
|
Appreciate
0
|
11-10-2018, 01:24 PM | #108 | ||
Major General
7889
Rep 7,262
Posts |
Quote:
MPerformance / M / CSL is plenty. If you have so many tiers, engineers have to try to find reasons to make them different, in order to give you a reason to buy it. But that dilutes the underlying car. Why not spend time and resources to make the actual base car better? Why have so many Goldilocks choices? So while we are spoiled for choice, those choices are a bit diluted. Stop trying to be all things to all people and dial in on the mission of the car. |
||
11-10-2018, 01:33 PM | #109 |
FAST
372
Rep 574
Posts |
How about hey just start with the series and then the nurburgring lap time. That should clarify ranking nicely.
|
Appreciate
1
Brake_Late1936.00 |
11-10-2018, 02:22 PM | #110 | |
Moderator
31634
Rep 13,319
Posts |
Quote:
"BMW M boss Frank van Meel leaves to head up BMW total vehicle developmentRepost: BMWBlog interview with BMW M boss Frank Van Meel at the 2017 Detroit Auto Show (January 2017) (01:18 to 03:13): "For us the M4 GTS is and was a halo car which helped M a lot regarding communication in 2016. The cars were sold out immediately. What was more important for us was that this car, driving 07m28s on the Nürburgring, is within the super sports car league, even though it is a series production car building its base. But it's typically what M stands for to bring that motorsports properties into a car that can also be used on everyday roads. And it also strengthened the performance of the M3/M4 as the base cars that were behind that. And we are really happy with that car and we still have a lot of demand even though it's already sold out for a long time. But there are many people saying «Please make another special car or more special cars». And we're going to react to these demands and bring more special cars in the future. Well, the M2 has exceeded everyone's expectations. The customer demand has been so big that we're still working on increasing our production volumes to fulfill our customer needs, but we plan to get it in balance again in the year 2017 so that we get more cars available for our customers. We do plan to continue this tradition of making special models, especially the fact that the demand for competition packages was/is so high with M3/M4 is for us a signal to continue this in the future with more models, as well as the fact that the M4 GTS was sold out immediately which also had a long tradition with M3 special models. But we're planning to do that more often, not only to wait 5 to 7 years, but to bring more special models on a shorter time base."In September 2017 BMW M boss Frank Van Meel confirmed a "CSL" reboot and explained the envisioned distinction between future "CS" and "CSL" ///M models: "Van Meel said that the CSL designation will replace GTS on the four-rung hierarchy of M cars, which starts with the base model then progresses to Competition Pack, CS, then CSL. Like the GTS, CSLs will be BMW M's most hardcore offerings.
__________________
///M is art ↔ Artemis
|
|
Appreciate
2
Miko M6667.50 Dog Face Pony Soldier9693.50 |
Post Reply |
Bookmarks |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|