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Now 0-60mph are indicative of forward traction. Yes, given the same tires, AWD will have a noticeable edge in forward traction from a stop over RWD. AWD increases the probability of forward traction. Last edited by Polo08816; 03-20-2015 at 01:02 PM.. |
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Disclaimer: my last BMW was a RWD E60. I ran snow tires on it in the winters here, never got stuck, and it felt very stable in my parking lot snow doughnut tests. So, empirically I see the value.
But... I notice that any time a choice is available that lessens damage potential to cars, at least some of the insurance companies offer discounts to policyholders who make that choice. Alarms and defensive driving courses come to mind. I can't think of any insurance company offering a discount to people who use snow tires. This to me suggests that although the academic benefits are undeniable, the statistical impact of snows on financial loss, at a macro level, is not significant enough to matter. Then again the same insurance companies won't charge you extra is you run your bald ten year-old Eagle VR50s in the winter either. So maybe they just decided not to take on the variables.
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Ah! Interesting - who is it?
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Several different insurance companies in Ontario offer varying levels of policy discounts if you use winter tires. Just one example below:
http://www.thepersonal.com/p-on/en/i...ter-tires.aspx
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At 22 I was in grad school and all I could afford was a old Ford pickup with bald tires, so with all the nanny device that even the most modest of cars provides; I don't see any concern about the car not being capable or safe. Chicken Little would be proud of you Ali...but you shouldn't assume that age has a 1-1 correlation with driving skill. There are a lot of new-to-Canada drivers that are in there 30, 40s ++ but with little driving experience and even less on snow covered roads. Last edited by RJH; 03-20-2015 at 10:54 PM.. |
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On the other hand, my position is that not only do automakers grossly exaggerate the need for AWD, AND it's benefit ...there are many others, as well as myself, that believe they encourage a false sense of security (exponentially so if we are talking SUVs) leading to greater risk taking - among 20 years olds and 50 year olds alike. And for those multi-car collision video's, I am confident that AWD would have been little to no help. You may have been able to go or stop incrementally better than a FWD/RWD cars, but it does nothing for 18 wheeler that plows into you. I have family and friends who are police officers and work in some of the snowiest regions across Canada and US, but except for a few Chevy Tahoos, they all drive RWD cars; and safely drive over 100,000K per year. BTW Ali, I travel your area frequently to go skiing, and yes it get's its fair share of lake-effect snow for 2-3 months, but we usually take the wife's VW station wagon because my stupid car doesn't have fold-down seats or a rear seat/trunk pass-through (surprise find!). My wife, who's smart enough to admit her relative lack of skill in extreme weather let's me drive (though the roads are so well maintained it's really a moot point) The bottom-line, is that my 328 is a nice safe car, but so is an Accord or a ton of other family sedans, and that once my lease is up; my next car will be a true sports sedan with RWD and manual, maybe an 335, M3 or M5, but it will not be boring and I will not drink the purple Kool-Aid that AWD is a must have. Last edited by RJH; 03-21-2015 at 09:40 AM.. |
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I just fear that RWD could become the next manual transmission. What I mean is the attack on manuals to non-existence. Most of the electric and hybrid electrics now have some form of AWD. RWD feels like you're being pushed around a curve; great sensation. On a track RWD allows for more controlled chaos. My wife's X3 just feels mushy. Great for an SUV, as I feel that sporty Trucks are an oxymoron since they sit so high. However, in a car that's closer to the road, I want RWD. Screw the weather. If I were north, it would be winter rubber, since no season tires can't ever be any good. If I just had to go with AWD, it would be an Audi, or Subaru.
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*le sigh. I don't mind having xDrive. I saw my now current car at the dealership while I was setting up the lease for my bf, and I thought dammit.. I want a new car now, and this one was perfect: sport package, 6MT, and xDrive for the hell of it. I really don't care about having it since I live in SoCal, but now that I have it, it's kind of nice. It's definitely more grippy than my E90 was [in the sense that I can push corners harder], but after a few months I miss the sport setup in my E90 in terms of suspension, which I know is a different topic, but unfortunately they go hand in hand with BMW.
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If you want the handling on an xdrive, put on AC schnitzer springs - even with adaptive they lower the car by 20-25mm (an inch) and stop the car rolling. It doesn't cost much and doesn't invalidate the warranty.
IMHO if you are after track like handling, RWD would always be my choice. AWD is mainly point and squirt (as it can be with an open diff design and EBC). AWD taught me some bad driving habits (throw the car into the corner, mash throttle and aim at apex - job done!) |
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Living in Wisconsin for many years now, going with xDrive was definitely the correct decision. The elevation here while nothing like Colorado there are hills where I live having xDrive with all-season tires have yet to slip or any problems with traction and drive with confidence.
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I'm grappling with the same decision. I've been driving an SUV and a fun car for years and now I'm ready to consolidate. I live about an hour north of Philly so I deal with the snow. Strongly considering an xDrive 435i, but I'm not sure if AWD is necessary.
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