05-07-2012, 01:10 PM | #1 |
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N20 328i remap? anybody knows them?
First hi to all on this forum!
While waiting for my first beemer to arrive (F30 328i Luxury Line, Saphire Black, 8AT, Xenons, Beige Lethaer inside, arrives in 5 days), I have been reading this great forum and found hundreds of usefull posts. Also, besides this forum, I am constantly paying attention who comes out with N20 remap. After getting quote from Kellener on 1700 Euro, the next one I found today is http://burgertuning.com/N20_BMW_performance_Tuner.html They are not known to me, but then I am no very into this matter, so I would like you to share your thoughts on these guys. Do you know them? Have you had any business with them before? Thanks! |
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05-08-2012, 12:24 AM | #2 |
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haha...yeah, burger is well known. check out their tunes for the e90. They and Vishnu make similar piggyback type tunes for the n54 and n55.
I'm looking into the Burger for the n20 as well and think I'll get it. Much more cost effective. I'm sure Vishnu, Dinan, Giac and Cobb will all come out with tunes too. Burger just seems to be the quickest for this car. |
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05-08-2012, 04:36 AM | #3 | |
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Will let you know the results. |
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05-09-2012, 05:14 AM | #5 |
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Is the Installtion difficult? Can it done by DIY? I eager to know about that as this will for sure affect my buying decision.
Anyone if you have the installation guid for N20, please post.
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05-09-2012, 10:31 AM | #6 |
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Personally waiting for ESS. They did wonders on my Supercharged M3. I am sure their software for the N20 will be just as good!
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05-09-2012, 11:10 AM | #7 |
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just to warn you guys, burger tuning is always first to market with a "tune." that said tune is normally half-assed and consists of a boost increase, maybe some a/f tuning. ignition timing isn't touched, however, and it relys on the knock sensor to set ignition timing.
it's your car, do what you want to it, i'd just be wary of running a glorified boost controller on my new $40k+ bmw. |
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05-09-2012, 12:16 PM | #8 |
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This is my post on a TMC 3 series tuning chip I found for $450. Should help out a bit. I also explain how its installed and warranty issues with TMC, Dinan and Kellener.
http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=688854 |
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There are people on the forums who've been running Burger tunes for tens of thousands of miles without a single check engine light. |
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05-18-2012, 08:45 AM | #11 |
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i've ran BMS tunes on my n54 powered cars before. i've logged timing and witnessed knock events, timing drops, etc.
vishnu procede and cobb accessport take a more pro-active approach to ignition timing. rather than ride the knock sensor (by running increased boost and the stock ignition curve), they modify the timing tables. this is really the correct way to tune a car. BMS products are normally just glorified boost controllers. it's your car, do what you want, i just wouldn't be caught running a BMS "tune" on my $45+ f30 |
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05-19-2012, 07:41 AM | #14 |
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I have spoken to various vendors and they are working diligently on products for this car. When the N54 was released Vishnu was first to market and his original tune worked ok.
What will be interesting is to see if the N20 has the same level of sophistication as the N54/55 in terms of tune detection. |
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05-20-2012, 03:54 PM | #15 |
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And another one I found
http://www.speed-buster.de/chiptunin...ps/a-10109620/ Price 700 EUR (including VAT) + shipping This page is there for some time, but it was not showing the "gain" figures (were zeros). Now, puting a VW Tiguan chart picture on the page showing BMW N20 tuning box doesn't give me much confidence in ordering this... Burger is still in beta, Kelleners 1200 EUR. I guess it is still early for ordering any remap for N20... |
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I don't know enough about the N20 product under development and testing now to give exact details on the tuning end but BMS has never released a tune that causes knock if the proper map for the octane is selected. These guys like Bryce and a few others have been saying the sky is falling for the last five years with BMS tuning. Yet, over the years it's proven to be one of the most reliable and widely used systems out there in the BMW community. If a motor was knocking at full power output it would not make it more than a few miles without serious damage. The DME is actually programmed to detect knock andthrow a specific set of knock codes if knock is detected and BMS tunes DO NOT throw these codes. With 15,000 customers running BMS tunes many of which have been using them for 100k miles their reliability rating has proven to be as good or better than any other tuning platform out there. Mike |
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05-22-2012, 06:51 PM | #20 |
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Mike, why don't you enlighten everyone why bms is getting into cps off setting now, when for years they (you) said it was unnecessary, dumb, and marketed the jb products as superior to vishnu's (who have had cps off setting for years). I can link the thread if you'd like.
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05-22-2012, 07:14 PM | #21 |
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There's a similar thread in the N55 section. I posted my comments there. I'll repeat one point...
Do your research carefully. I didn't know anything about any of these tunes a few months ago. However, I read a lot and have learnt a lot. In all likelihood, Mike won't answer Bryce or my questions. BMS has a pattern of skirting difficult issues. I don't want to be too negative though, from what I understand they have great customer service and their products are cheap.
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