08-14-2012, 10:28 AM | #23 |
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The reality is as time moves on, things improve, people become wiser, and so the industry has to adjust. 5 Years ago, the F30 would have been called the safest 3-series to date. Actually, I think it was called that last year. I wouldn't be too hard on BMW. There are a hell of a lot more cars that will do worse. Luxury or otherwise. BMW gives us the ability in performance to avoid these types of accidents with their agility, DTS, DSC, etc. While it is disappointing to some, it's far better than some alternatives. Besides, as much as I have read in this forum, safety is the last thing on people's minds. Especially when have of the threads are about 0-60 times, tuning to go faster, and the sound the exhaust makes.
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08-14-2012, 10:29 AM | #24 |
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you do not get to pick how or when your accident happens - that is why they are called accidents. if you could choose, no accidents would ever happen so it is best to plan for the worst and drive as safe as possible knowing that you often have little to do whether you are in a horrendous wreck. take it from me
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08-14-2012, 10:33 AM | #25 |
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i really do not see how this accident is relevant to real world conditions
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08-14-2012, 10:36 AM | #26 |
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There you go, now BMW has an ugly looking front hood for safety reasons during an accident and they didnt even get a good score here.
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08-14-2012, 10:37 AM | #27 |
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How is it a weird test? Collisions don't always happen on center when they do occur.
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The volvo S60 aced the test because of this: |
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08-14-2012, 10:53 AM | #30 |
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The weight difference between the E90 and F30 is too small to be relevant in a test like this.
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08-14-2012, 10:53 AM | #31 |
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Not sure how people think that this does not represent real life crashes. People try to avoid objects when a crash is imminent, they don't try to hit [objects] straight on...its a natural reaction to avoid. With that said when you avoid you are most likely going to hit an object with the side or some odd place on your car. That is what this crash test is trying to replicate.
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08-14-2012, 10:56 AM | #32 |
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True, and the whole hood design was due to Euro regulations regarding safety of pedestrians. Unintended consequences of this type of regulation?..may this is one of them.
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08-14-2012, 11:01 AM | #33 |
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True, was thinking more in context of M cars, where have been rumors of using aluminum chassis/body panels. The new M3 will Supposedly (with a capital S), be significantly lighter (200-250 lbs) vs current, if one is to believe some of the reports.
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08-14-2012, 11:02 AM | #34 |
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There is nothing to freak out about this. There is Good score just because they were a bit better at sliding thru the object the car is hitting.
As everything does, this will improve overtime as well.
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08-14-2012, 11:05 AM | #35 |
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What a great test and new challenge for car manufacturers to overcome.
Particularly tough to dissipate energy in a wheel arch cavity, worst suggestion of all is for the wheel to actually come off! Mind boggles what could happen to have an intentional wheel dismount, cars swerving everywhere. What the test can't take into account is in some circumstances you can take action like hitting the brakes. How does a heavy volvo fair in the initial speed shedding phase compared to BMW creating a different impact speed therefore a different outcome. |
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08-14-2012, 11:07 AM | #36 |
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New tests like these can only be beneficial for us the consumer. Cars will be better engineered to handle this new partial front impact test in the coming years...
Obviously you aren't going to do well for a test you never studied for which is the case of the first round of cars in this test. Give it some time. Alan
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i dont feel cheated or duped. This is a harsh new test to past, but from here on, and the purpose of this test is to pressure auto manufacturer to pay attention to those particular case of crashes. Quote:
Honestly one of the best FWD cars out there, the TL is a great car with a Batman design! if i wasn't so biased toward RWD, this could be the car i would have gotten myself. Quote:
hitting the brake before impact changes the occupants position. Quote:
I am not going to sell my F30 over this issue... to get what ?? an S60 LOL :P Quote:
2) Very happy the S60 did very well ! 3) I have a feeling Volvo designed their car for those type of tests well before we have those tests 4) once the S60 out, Volvo might have pressure the Institute to carry those tests, allowing to "officially" test all cars for this crash that Volvo as designed. 5) This makes for the greatest commercial and clear proof for the Volvo brand... regaining once again in everyone's mind the status of Safest Car Brand!! I sense a smart Troll that is Volvo, staying and putting themselves ahead of the curve !! Very smart move ! Instead of spending millions in commercials, they have actually invested into designing a front side frame and spending money in pressuring the institute to test that structure that no other cars has
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I guess from now on I can't text while driving at 86 mph, I'll probably do it just below 70 mph or the street speed limit.
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..... very interesting thought ~
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..the hood design, if I remember correctly, is for pedestrian impact, not slight offset crash ~
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None of this means the F30 isn't safe. It just means that the IIHS has identified a crash type that is increasing in frequency (and they are paying $$$$ out in damages).
The more distractions to driving, the more of these types of crashes. I would argue the availability of lane departure/blind technology, voice command improvements, and the iDrive screen being so high on the dash put the 3-series high on the accident avoidance list. However, it appears most manufacturers need to follow Volvo's lead and better tie the outer/front passenger compartment to the front structure. |
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