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BMW has not changed its focus to attract buyers from other brands; they responded to the needs of their existing customer base by making a car that is bigger for our growing families, more luxurious for our growing salaries, and softer for our growing maturity. Eventually, you turn 40, high school girls don't look at you any more, local streets stop being drag strips, and you grow up as you shuttle your kids to baseball practice. BMW has built a car that millions of customers will find engaging. Cadillac has built a car for no one. Too small for it's 60 year old consumer base, too expensive for Chevy owners to step-up to, too silly a brand to be taken seriously. The F30 will be the best selling car in BMW's history. They've definitely only have themselves to "blame" if you want to call it that. BJ |
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10-22-2012, 09:52 PM | #46 |
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10-22-2012, 10:33 PM | #47 |
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Here's my 2 cents after a real world test drive of an ATS.
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10-23-2012, 06:18 AM | #49 | |
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10-25-2012, 07:52 AM | #51 | |
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Anyone who doesn't cross shop these 2 cars is making a mistake. I hate when people already have their mind made up about a car without even driving it. Who cares what a magazine or journalist says,,go drive it for yourself and make up your own mind.If you're that guy or girl that has it in their head that " BMW is the best , so why would I consider something else" I really feel sorry for you . If the BMW is what you've been dreaming of for a long time,,go for it ,you won't be disappointed . But once you get that 1st one out of your system go try something else . There's no saying you can't go back .Ultimately if you can afford to own 2 nice cars from different manufacturers , why not? Sorry for the rant For those of you wondering, I just turned 40 last week. I bought my first new BMW when I was 24. I bought my first car when I was 14 , a 66 Chevelle. I still have it....I'm far from 80 & I still have a full head of hair without any grey steaks,,yet |
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10-25-2012, 02:38 PM | #52 |
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Pretty girl (or boy): Question: What car do you drive? Answer: A Cadillac. Reaction: I see. (Down turned mouth, total lack of interest). End of conversation. No chance of a bonk. Pretty girl (or boy): Question: What car do you drive? Answer: A BMW. Reaction: Wow! That's nice. (Interest levels rising, eyes widening, chance of a fumble on the agenda). Question: Which kind? Answer: A 3 Series. Reaction: Wow! How fab is that? (Huge interest, good chance of more than a fumble). Question: Is it fast? Answer: Yes, very. Reaction: I bet it is. (Interest levels now rising really rapidly, widened eyes, nearly in for a bonk). Question: Do you love it? Answer: Very much. It's a fabulous car. Reaction: Wow! You lucky sod. (The deal is nearly done. Bonking is on the agenda. Only a nuclear war can stop it). Question: What colour is it? Answer: Estoril Blue II with Coral Red Leather. Reaction: Wow! It must look really lovely. (Interest levels now sky high, lots of bonking on the agenda, love is in the air). Question: I'd love to have a ride in it. Can I? The rest is history ......... A BMW is The Ultimate Driving Machine and then some. I rest my case.
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10-25-2012, 03:42 PM | #53 |
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When the 2 series coupe (4 door) arrives in 2014 it will be a direct competitor to the ATS and may undercut it in price. Interior space should be comparable which is down from the 3 series.
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10-27-2012, 07:12 AM | #55 | |
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I hope someone comes out with a "Piss-on BMW" sticker for my new ATS. Is the shift quailty of the manual really THAT bad. |
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Yeah, because it's not like this hasn't happened before, right? The last time Cadillac tried the "sporty smaller car" concept it nearly took the company down. You'd think they'd learn the lesson of avoiding cars that have no audience. BJ |
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We'll get you a bumper sticker that says: Quick-handling......road hugging......responsive for your Cimarron 2.0. BJ |
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10-27-2012, 08:13 AM | #59 |
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We'll get you a bumper sticker that says: Quick-handling......road hugging......responsive for your Cimarron 2.0. BJ[/QUOTE] Ah, all this from a "Luxury" F30 owner. Nice. Thanks, Mr. Expert. Get a real sport sedan then call me and we'll talk. I'll be happy to show you how to drive a 3-pedal car. Enjoy those paddle-shifters.... Hope your Rolex doesn't scratch the console. |
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10-27-2012, 08:20 AM | #61 |
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If ferraris sound so good, why do so many companies make exhausts for them?
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Be safe in your Cadillac; wouldn't want your grandkids to get injured, Mr. Andretti. BJ |
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10-27-2012, 08:37 AM | #63 |
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10-27-2012, 08:39 AM | #64 |
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Your point is not a very good one. The bmw manual isn't perfect. But its better than the ATS(from all reports).
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And my grandkids, if I had any, would know how to drive a manual transmission... I'd see to it. Well, at least your hands are free so you can text on your phone while driving. See ya. |
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BMW's and Cadillac's are not "sport sedans". The word "sport" is just put there by savvy marketers trying to fool people like you into thinking you're driving a race car as you pull out of PetSmart hauling a 40 pound bag of kibble back to your mundane life in suburbia. Now get off the Windows 95 computer, put on your Member's Only jacket, grab that Rush cassette, and drive your son to soccer practice in your Cadillac you badass, you. BJ |
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