[Dinh335]

Originally Posted by BavarianFanatic

No, but the never ending whining does. I'm secure enough to not care what anyone opines about anything I do, say or own. But if I read one more "for $50k the F30 should/shouldn't..." I'm going to.

what does personal security have to do with anything. most people just want what they pay for. I applaud you for being secure, but if you buy a steak at a restaurant and its not to your liking, then you can be secure, but you'll still be upset.

I don't say this in an argumentative tone, i just don't understand why people aren't allowed to complain and are instantly insecure if they do.

[Taipei-TT]

As an e92 owner I really really wish I could feel this way about the Fx. I really need a f31.....

But I've driven 4 different f30s....including the last one which was a 335 given to me for four days by BMW to convince me to get the new car.....and when I took the f30 back and jumped into my 3 year old e92.....it felt like that was the far better car.

Glad you guys love your cars! I think it is something that takes an amusement too. Just wish it offered a eye popping feeling of "this new tech and car renders the old obsolete". At best, it offers some improvements on some things, and a vague feeling BMW isn't what it used to be.

[jzcrna]

My 2012 F30 335i has been problem free. I think that the fit and finish is way beyond what the E90 offered. I paid 2,000 less for my F30 but gained so much more in refinement of the interior and overall looks. Plus, the paint is 1000x more durable than my E90 or E60. I do a huge amount of highway driving and I don't have any chips at 25000 miles on my F30. All cars are BSM.

[ede92]

Originally Posted by geddylee

I hate my F30. I owned two E90's, and two E46's and they were fantastic cars. I was prepared to live with the lack of steering feel, slightly less refinement from the 6 to 4 cylinder. The thing the kills the car for me, is the interior creaks and constant rattles. The rattles and creaks all come and go based on the outside temperature. My car has 6k miles and has already been into service twice so they can spray foam behind the trim to try to fix the problem. My service adviser basically said that the materials used in the F30 are a huge problem, and such a step down from the E90 that dealers are struggling to deal with all of the complaints. To me it's en-excusable for a 50k car.

The switchgear is a step down from the previous models. Creaks and rattles are unacceptable in a $50K for sure.

My guess is they will have to punch up the interior quality before the mid life cycle update.

This might be enough to have me take a look at an Audi after having 4 BMWs.

[E46M3forRay]

Was excited yesterday that I got a 328 loaner but after an hour of driving, had the loaner car for 9 hrs total, I couldn't wait to get my e90 335i back. It was apparent that BMW skimped out on the interior cutting down the whole quality of the car. Was impressed with the responsiveness and Eco mode technology on the turbo 4, but it wasn't cutting it for me, it was a boring car. Makes me wonder how the new f30 m3 will be like now .. i better be blown away once it comes out.

[DC Newbie]

Originally Posted by E46M3forRay

Was excited yesterday that I got a 328 loaner but after an hour of driving, had the loaner car for 9 hrs total, I couldn't wait to get my e90 335i back. It was apparent that BMW skimped out on the interior cutting down the whole quality of the car. Was impressed with the responsiveness and Eco mode technology on the turbo 4, but it wasn't cutting it for me, it was a boring car. Makes me wonder how the new f30 m3 will be like now .. i better be blown away once it comes out.

Really can't agree with that. I could understand the criticism about the steering feel. The F30 is certainly less firm and communicative than the previous generation. But it's firm enough and very precise. (If you drove an '86 GTI, then drove an e90, you'd find the e90 's steering vague and uncommunicative. But e90 had a lot else going for it that made it a better car.)

To say that the interior of the F30 is a step down from the e90 is pushing it though. Aside from the hard plastic around the shifter, the interior is in no way inferior to the e90 in terms of material and amenities. And, as much as I like the e90, the dashboard was...well...pretty ugly. F30 is much nicer IMO.

[Jaguar]

Originally Posted by DC Newbie

Really can't agree with that. I could understand the criticism about the steering feel. The F30 is certainly less firm and communicative than the previous generation. But it's firm enough and very precise. (If you drove an '86 GTI, then drove an e90, you'd find the e90 's steering vague and uncommunicative. But e90 had a lot else going for it that made it a better car.)

To say that the interior of the F30 is a step down from the e90 is pushing it though. Aside from the hard plastic around the shifter, the interior is in no way inferior to the e90 in terms of material and amenities. And, as much as I like the e90, the dashboard was...well...pretty ugly. F30 is much nicer IMO.

I agree, this ridiculous statement about f30 interior quality being less than the e90 is ludicrous. I am assuming this person had a base model, non sport seat, non leather loaner. My f30 with m-sport interior and red seats looks better quality than my friends 2013 Porsche interior, and light years ahead of my previous e90, e92, and e46

[CHCCubs]

Personally I could care less what others think of the F30, I'm happy with my car and that's all that matters to me.

Don't really understand why some people get so worked up about other people's opinions.

[Just a 3]

Originally Posted by starkindustries

I agree, this ridiculous statement about f30 interior quality being less than the e90 is ludicrous. I am assuming this person had a base model, non sport seat, non leather loaner. My f30 with m-sport interior and red seats looks better quality than my friends 2013 Porsche interior, and light years ahead of my previous e90, e92, and e46

I don't think it is a ridiculous statement at all. Agreed that the layout and tech of the F30 is better (though some prefer the spartan E46/90 look)- where I had issues with the couple of testers I drove was the quality of some of the materials, including interior door pulls, door handles (the trim piece had gaps where it meets the plastic etc). In general it seemed to me that material quality was a step down -and I am not saying this as an E90 owner (sooner or later I will get into the F30) - just honest opinion from what I saw/felt

[kobechrome]

Originally Posted by Just a 3

I don't think it is a ridiculous statement at all. Agreed that the layout and tech of the F30 is better (though some prefer the spartan E46/90 look)- where I had issues with the couple of testers I drove was the quality of some of the materials, including interior door pulls, door handles (the trim piece had gaps where it meets the plastic etc). In general it seemed to me that material quality was a step down -and I am not saying this as an E90 owner (sooner or later I will get into the F30) - just honest opinion from what I saw/felt

I owned a 2006 E90 and now an 2013 F30 (and a 2001 E46 for that matter). IMHO, E90 interior isn't as nicely laid out as the F30 but I can understand what some people are saying about build quality. Some of the F30 buttons (like seat warmers and 1-8 memory) for example, feel cheap, hollow and very plastic to the touch/press whereas the E90 buttons felt much more sturdy and solid. Its hard to explain but I definitely can feel a difference.

Steering is a no-brainer. E90 felt more connected to the road. Putting the car in Sport mode does tighten up the steering on the F30 so it closes the gap but E90 wins the steering category.

But that's it - in every other area, the F30 excels. And I love my F30 - would never for a second consider trading it back for my E90... and I loved my E90 as well.

[Just a 3]

Originally Posted by kobechrome

I owned a 2006 E90 and now an 2013 F30 (and a 2001 E46 for that matter). IMHO, E90 interior isn't as nicely laid out as the F30 but I can understand what some people are saying about build quality. Some of the F30 buttons (like seat warmers and 1-8 memory) for example, feel cheap, hollow and very plastic to the touch/press whereas the E90 buttons felt much more sturdy and solid. Its hard to explain but I definitely can feel a difference.

Steering is a no-brainer. E90 felt more connected to the road. Putting the car in Sport mode does tighten up the steering on the F30 so it closes the gap but E90 wins the steering category.

But that's it - in every other area, the F30 excels. And I love my F30 - would never for a second consider trading it back for my E90... and I loved my E90 as well.

Thanks - that means there is hope for me to get into an F30

[BavarianFanatic]

Originally Posted by Dinh335

what does personal security have to do with anything. most people just want what they pay for. I applaud you for being secure, but if you buy a steak at a restaurant and its not to your liking, then you can be secure, but you'll still be upset.

I don't say this in an argumentative tone, i just don't understand why people aren't allowed to complain and are instantly insecure if they do.

Re-read what I wrote. I'm secure enough to not care what OTHERS SAY. The thread is about other people "crapping" on the F30. I'm not implying that complaining and insecurity are in any way tied together.

I too expect to receive what I've paid for. But I'm also realistic about it. In your example of a poorly prepared steak, I would not get "upset" per se. I'd express my dislike and wait for the restaurant to make amends. I recognize the fact that nobody is perfect and folks can occasionally have an off day.

It seems many people these days have lost this ability and immediately jump to the "upset" stage while simultaneously spouting off on the internet to tell the world how horrible xxx is. Then they feel bad when someone tells them their xxx is a piece of crap.

[geddylee]

Originally Posted by Taipei-TT

As an e92 owner I really really wish I could feel this way about the Fx. I really need a f31.....

But I've driven 4 different f30s....including the last one which was a 335 given to me for four days by BMW to convince me to get the new car.....and when I took the f30 back and jumped into my 3 year old e92.....it felt like that was the far better car.

Glad you guys love your cars! I think it is something that takes an amusement too. Just wish it offered a eye popping feeling of "this new tech and car renders the old obsolete". At best, it offers some improvements on some things, and a vague feeling BMW isn't what it used to be.

I could not agree more with this. When it comes down to driving it, it's just not a great BMW.

[KevRyd]

IMHO the F30 is a great car. I'm having some issuse at the moment but my 335i Xdrive is amazing to drive. I have driven other 3's and I can tell you that even the steering issue is over-blown. You feel the road it just not as sharp in terms of feedback, thats not to say ther is no feed-back. the car still handles very well and when you put it on the line it holds. The 8 Speed is super fast and is paired well to the engin. E9X owners have the expected resistence to change and a sense of nostalgia about thier cars. It is understandable, the E9X's are great car. There will be alot of first-time BMW owners that will love their F30's who will have never driven the E9x's, the comparrison's are mute, they judge the current car on it's merits alone void of comparrison.

Originally Posted by geddylee

I could not agree more with this. When it comes down to driving it, it's just not a great BMW.

[300hp]

[QUOTE=DC Newbie;13979907

To say that the interior of the F30 is a step down from the e90 is pushing it though. Aside from the hard plastic around the shifter, the interior is in no way inferior to the e90 in terms of material and amenities. And, as much as I like the e90, the dashboard was...well...pretty ugly. F30 is much nicer IMO.[/QUOTE]

I am not going to get into the pissing contest but I wanted to add something to your comment here. BTW I completely agree with you.

I also have an E70 LCI X5. The hard plastic you see by the shifter is the same as the one used in the X5. So BMW uses this same set up for pricier cars. In the FXX and the X5 that is the only place I see a "hard plastic"

The X5 even with that "hard plastic" has an interior that cannot be matched by the E90s, just not at the same playing level.

Hopefully this will help in putting things into perspective IRO of "hard plastics".

[Dinh335]

Originally Posted by BavarianFanatic

Re-read what I wrote. I'm secure enough to not care what OTHERS SAY. The thread is about other people "crapping" on the F30. I'm not implying that complaining and insecurity are in any way tied together.

I too expect to receive what I've paid for. But I'm also realistic about it. In your example of a poorly prepared steak, I would not get "upset" per se. I'd express my dislike and wait for the restaurant to make amends. I recognize the fact that nobody is perfect and folks can occasionally have an off day.

It seems many people these days have lost this ability and immediately jump to the "upset" stage while simultaneously spouting off on the internet to tell the world how horrible xxx is. Then they feel bad when someone tells them their xxx is a piece of crap.

i interpreted the thread more as "does the f30 "bleeping" get to you" as opposed to does the f30 bashing ever get to you.

I agree with you that people like complaining sometimes quickly and start acting entitled.

But I will say though that (back to my steak analogy) if said steak was touted as the Ultimate Steak and advertises itself as the best in town and you pay a premium for it, it is expected to better than the Outback down the street.


Saying "s*it happens" is fine I think to a degree, and yes, I agree with you whole heartedly that people have off days and need some slack. But that is fine and dandy assuming the things you're paying for cost the same. When the higher priced product has the same or less quality than a lower priced one, people have the right to get upset. "50K" has nothing to do with it either. it could be one thing being 10 bucks breaking more than one being 2 bucks. There's nothing wrong with getting upset over that.

[BMWRyan]

Hahahaha this thread. If you heard my van and what I have had to put up with for 3 years. I can honestly say that the van i have is by far the noisiest van out there... its embarrassing. Can't wait to get my hands on the BMW!

[nicknaz]

Other people are entitled to their opinion, and I'm entitled to think my car is AWESOME

[ghettodefendant]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Other people are entitled to their opinion, and I'm entitled to think my car is AWESOME

+1

[snowghost]

Originally Posted by ghettodefendant

+1

Silly thread.

[ghettodefendant]

Originally Posted by snowghost

Silly thread.

No, it became silly once people disregarded the OP's intentions/question and decided to use this thread as a "I'm an E9X owner, driven X amount of F30's and in that 30 minutes I've decided that this car is ....".

[stuttgartusa]

I just got done driving my wifes E90 to be honest I dont see how the E90 is superior in any regard even the steering to me is superior in the F30.