New 3 series uses AISIN transmission?

tkila · 03-08-2016, 03:49 PM

I just read this review: http://m.overdrive.in/reviews/2016-b...d-test-review/

In the review, it mentions that the new 3-series have switched from ZF to Aisin and that it's not as fast as the outgoing ZF. Can anyone verify if this is the case? I know Lexus, Cadillac, and Porsche Cayenne use Aisin.

CalCarNut · 03-08-2016, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tkila

I just read this review: http://m.overdrive.in/reviews/2016-b...d-test-review/

In the review, it mentions that the new 3-series have switched from ZF to Aisin and that it's not as fast as the outgoing ZF. Can anyone verify if this is the case? I know Lexus, Cadillac, and Porsche Cayenne use Aisin.

Re-read what it says: "The engine is mated to an eight-speed gearbox from Aisin. Though not necessarily quicker than the outgoing ZF unit, the gearbox is quick to respond to changes in load and throttle input and the car never feels out of breath."

Doesn't say it's slower..just says not quicker. Sounds like a lateral change to me....

tkila · 03-08-2016, 04:36 PM

My question is why BMW uses AISIN now when it always has been ZF? Aisin is slower than ZF with my experience in the Cayenne and Lexus GS 350. It's smooth, but it's slow to downshift.

ynguldyn · 03-08-2016, 04:50 PM

The author is an idiot. Ignore.

drexplode · 03-08-2016, 05:14 PM

I don't believe the zf was removed from 3 series supply list. 8 speed zf is touted quite well as a great transmission. For longitudinal engines = zf, transverse = aisen (X1).

DHS · 03-08-2016, 05:37 PM

The Aisin in our 2016 X1 is a poor excuse compared to the ZF in our 2015 435i.

floydarogers · 03-08-2016, 09:35 PM

AISIN is used in new (FWD) X1, and in Mini Cooper.

Pretty sure nothing in other series have changed and still use ZF.

CalCarNut · 03-09-2016, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by floydarogers

AISIN is used in new (FWD) X1, and in Mini Cooper.

Pretty sure nothing in other series have changed and still use ZF.

Hard to determine this; the article is tilted to the 3-series..doesn't mention the X1,etc. Guess we'll see.

stormlv · 03-09-2016, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DHS

The Aisin in our 2016 X1 is a poor excuse compared to the ZF in our 2015 435i.

That's a bit depressing to know, especially if the change for the 3 series has indeed been made.

goj · 03-09-2016, 02:48 PM

The 340i has the ZF. Hard to imagine they'd tool up another transmission. I would say that is a misinformed comment.

S4NoMore · 03-09-2016, 03:18 PM

There really isn't much use in comparing the transmission as experienced in another model. The same trans are tuned for a variety of applications and priorities all the time.

CRJdriver · 03-09-2016, 03:34 PM

The Aisin gearbox in the second gen mini is comically bad. Especially when paired with the base non turbo with a whooping 120lbs of torque. It's the only modern made gearbox I know off where the manual was noticeably quicker. Was lent one and I seriously thought about completing the journey on foot.

Hope this isn't true.

ynguldyn · 03-09-2016, 03:39 PM

I really don't know how to say this loud enough for y'all to hear:

THE AUTHOR IS AN IDIOT.

Anyone who still doubts this is welcome to open your favorite site offering access to ETK and check the part description for the transmission unit.

tturedraider · 03-09-2016, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ynguldyn

The author is an idiot. Ignore.

^^ this!!

tkila · 03-09-2016, 06:35 PM

I even read many reviews on the face-lifted Cayenne saying it uses an 8-speed ZF gearbox. However, in a recent Motortend comparison with the X6 M and Cayenne Turbo S, it stated the Cayenne still uses an Aisin gearbox, which isn't as good as the ZF. The average buyer won't care if it has a ZF or Aisin gearbox, but I care because it makes a huge difference in how the car drives. The most disappointing thing was the gearbox in the newer Cayenne's when I test drove it. I'm still confused if they're using ZF or Aisin because of these stupid reviews. One British reviewer on Youtube even said the Cayenne had a dual clutch transmission. lol.

drexplode · 03-09-2016, 07:02 PM

GA8HP45Z vs GA8HP50Z (LCI)... definitely not Aisin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_8HP_transmission

Close topic?

2015 335i with sport trans:

2016 340i with sport trans:

Mauricio Palacios. MD · 03-10-2016, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drexplode

GA8HP45Z vs GA8HP50Z (LCI)... definitely not Aisin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_8HP_transmission

Close topic?

2015 335i with sport trans:

2016 340i with sport trans:

Good for (some of) the B58 owners... At least, speaking on automatic transmissions... Haha... For now, they're not going to change the engine...

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1231620

I believe the car they're testing in the article is equipped with a Diesel engine...

So... Why to close the thread? There are other engines in the BMW Universe!

Good day!

ynguldyn · 03-10-2016, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mauricio Palacios. MD

There are other engines in the BMW Universe!

Doesn't make the author any less of an idiot.

Final hint, and then we can close the thread: BMW buys Aisins for transverse mounts only.

tturedraider · 03-10-2016, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Doesn't make the author any less of an idiot.

Final hint, and then we can close the thread: BMW buys Aisins for transverse mounts only.

+1 - The author is a supposed professional automotive journalist writing for public consumption. The article has been on their website for over two weeks and has not been corrected.

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CRJdriver Second Lieutenant 85 Rep 253 Posts Drives: F30 & F82 Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: LA iTrader: (0)	The Aisin gearbox in the second gen mini is comically bad. Especially when paired with the base non turbo with a whooping 120lbs of torque. It's the only modern made gearbox I know off where the manual was noticeably quicker. Was lent one and I seriously thought about completing the journey on foot. Hope this isn't true.
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ynguldyn Brigadier General 7668 Rep 3,444 Posts Drives: battery powered tv on wheels Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Boston iTrader: (0)	I really don't know how to say this loud enough for y'all to hear: THE AUTHOR IS AN IDIOT. Anyone who still doubts this is welcome to open your favorite site offering access to ETK and check the part description for the transmission unit.
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tkila Private First Class 39 Rep 103 Posts Drives: 2022 BMW M5 CS Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	I even read many reviews on the face-lifted Cayenne saying it uses an 8-speed ZF gearbox. However, in a recent Motortend comparison with the X6 M and Cayenne Turbo S, it stated the Cayenne still uses an Aisin gearbox, which isn't as good as the ZF. The average buyer won't care if it has a ZF or Aisin gearbox, but I care because it makes a huge difference in how the car drives. The most disappointing thing was the gearbox in the newer Cayenne's when I test drove it. I'm still confused if they're using ZF or Aisin because of these stupid reviews. One British reviewer on Youtube even said the Cayenne had a dual clutch transmission. lol.
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drexplode Brigadier General 1795 Rep 3,071 Posts Drives: G26 i4x Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Walled Lake Michigan iTrader: (17)	GA8HP45Z vs GA8HP50Z (LCI)... definitely not Aisin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_8HP_transmission Close topic? 2015 335i with sport trans: 2016 340i with sport trans:
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