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$249 for Flasher license Then your choice of 3 stages plus a E20 map all include different octane ratings 91,93,95,E20 included in price. Stage 1 -$99 Stage 2 -$99 Stage 2+- $99 E20 Stage 1,2 or 2+ $99 and the logging monitor $99 So honestly if you're FBO you pay $250 for license then either $99 for stage 2 or 2+ and it's $350 all in. Add $99 and you get then logging monitor. Stock cars can run Stage 1 maps without issues. Stage 2 requires either intercooler or down-pipe And stage 2+ requires both intercooler and down-pipe, plus I would strongly advise on a Charge pipe with any tune.
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JB4 stacked with MHD is also great to work with. |
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I think at the price point it's for the more advanced user. Not to say you can't just run a OTS map with just a few bolt ons with BM3 however if that's all you're doing then you might as well go with MHD. Like I said any of the two is a great choice it just depends on the goal you have in mind for your car.
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05-17-2018, 05:47 PM | #27 |
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I don’t think you can go wrong either way (bm3 vs mhd). I went with bm3 because they were the only flash tune out at the time. I have the same car as you as well as fbo and the bm3 has been great. I drive around 15-17k miles a year and I’ve had no issues either. Whichever you choose, you won’t regret it!
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Thanks guys! I think I’m going to go with the mhd since I’m not going to be getting into custom tunes or upgrading the turbo. (I’m not smart enough for that) it seems everyone is in agreement that both are awesome it just boils down the extent I will build the car and if I will utilize the full spectrum of the bm3’s features. Which I don’t think I will. If for some reason my build outgrows mhd I can always get bm3 later. I feel as time goes on so will the capabilities and features of mhd. I think mhd is the route for me. THANK YOU to everyone who has chimed in...I knew f30post was place to turn to!
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Now I just need to find out who is going to give me the best package deal on all the parts! I’m going to buy them in 4 days! I’m so excited
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05-17-2018, 07:15 PM | #30 |
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Well I got a great deal on my ER Intercooler ER Charge pipe and Fabspeed high flow cat from Mike at X-PH.com
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05-17-2018, 08:46 PM | #31 |
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What is the advantage to using both? Other than using meth and safety features.
If I was to go with MHD I would have to legitimize it---I would prefer not to just sell off my jb4 if there is a good use for it.
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There is a whole FAQ related to why they work well together at N54tech.com, most of which, when it comes to details escape me since I'm no tuner. BUT, for me I enjoy still having on the fly map switching and I retained the ability to capture logs without purchasing MHD logging (log through JB4). The BEFs are free through BMS and I felt they have provided a wayyyy better increase in driveability of the car (as does many a flash tune). Also, if I want to get rid of the JB4 down the road I can and go full flash but for the moment with upgraded turbo, without getting a custom only flash tune, this is a great way for me to explore the power.
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05-18-2018, 08:48 AM | #33 | |
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As for changing maps on the fly, I leave mine on 5 as i have found very little difference with the maps. Since its rare to see someone using jb4 anf flash nowadays, I was just wondering if you noticed any performance differences. |
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05-18-2018, 10:57 AM | #34 |
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No, no problems at all. See all the links in my sig for my full experience with it, it's been solid so far, no complaints.
I went the JB4 route initially and had no issues with it running map 1/5. Something did however kill my MAF sensor when using the JB4 and I feel like it may have been related to the JB4 as other members had the exact same issue when they removed their JB4's. This was fixed with a new MAF sensor. You just can't compare the power delivery (smoothness) on a flash tune vs piggyback, the flash tune is leaps and bounds above in that department. Another pro for a flash tune is all the DME safeties, the DME is seeing exactly what is going on and no numbers are being fudged therefore IMO it's a much safer option.
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If you add all the things you get with bm3 on the mhd side I don’t think you’ll see much of a difference plus if you later move on you can sell your bm3 license to someone else and get money back for it. They’re the only flash that provide that option so in the long run bm3 actually ends up cheaper and right now has more features built all right into it. I’d do a JB4 for like meth or for ethanol secondary injection but not sure yet if I want to complicate life with all that on there. I’ve also seen a jb4 car here with weird electrical issues with one of the sensors I think tmap shorting out which sucks, just don’t want to mess with that harness and crap.
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"*The Stage 1 map pack contains Stage 1 and Stage 1+ maps with all available octane variants.The Stage 2 map pack contains Stage 2 and Stage 2+ maps with all available octane variants." |
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Yes. However after talking with Paul from P&L Motorsports about a custom tune with MHD. He said sure you can do it but the tuner needs to shell out the $ to have the correct software. He says for him it's not worth it just for one car.
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TunerPro is a really good program, but it uses Win32 user interface which is not modern looking. However, it is very fast, lightweight and full of functions. Some of these far surpass WinOLS as I found when trying to select something that can handle realtime tuning where TunerPro RT is far better despite something like $30 vs over $1500 for WinOLS. People dismiss it on appearance and miss out on an amazing piece of software that is solid and unique.
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I tried Bm3 first because I didn’t have an android device but apparently my dme was to outdated for bm3 to unlock and told me I needed to update my I level. I switched to mhd with no issue unlocking and running stage 1. I’ll be putting my DP back on in a few days and going stage 2+. Can’t wait. So far MHD has worked perfect.
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