[nik patel]

For those who drive a pre 2015 diesel and live in London maybe affected. Its bloody annoying as I love my 330d and worried about the value depreciating. What are most of your thoughts? will you be selling soon or wait a year or 2?

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ult...-emission-zone

[teaston]

All F30 335d's are ok!

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by nik patel

For those who drive a pre 2015 diesel and live in London maybe affected. Its bloody annoying as I love my 330d and worried about the value depreciating. What are most of your thoughts? will you be selling soon or wait a year or 2?

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ult...-emission-zone

There are another 56 million people outside London who are not subjected to this zone, just sell your car to one of them when the time comes.

[nik patel]

Originally Posted by Wills2

There are another 56 million people outside London who are not subjected to this zone, just sell your car to one of them when the time comes.

Of course but that's if the prices don't fall ridiculously and cause a panic to some

[nik patel]

Originally Posted by teaston

All F30 335d's are ok!

what even the early ones?

[Tengocity]

Don't worry, your 330d is depreciating like a stone already.

However this will have little affect to the many thousands of folk for whom diesel still makes complete economic sense, and will do for years to come yet.

There's already a diesel bounce back in used cars this year, as folk realise this, so I read recently on Autocar.

[Dr Forinor]

Originally Posted by nik patel

what even the early ones?

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ult...e?intcmp=32646

I just put my number plate in and;

"You are not subject to the ULEZ.

You do not need to take any action. However, other charges may apply."



EDIT: Oh, mine is 2015, sorry, never mind.

[aquazi]

My parents live in the t zone area.... was a little worried when the first announced it... but my 435d is ok😂

[SkyJawa]

335d's have been Euro 6 ever since launch, its the 330d's that only became Euro 6 around 2015 IIRC.

[Dr Forinor]

Originally Posted by SkyJawa

335d's have been Euro 6 ever since launch, its the 330d's that only became Euro 6 around 2015 IIRC.

That is a strange thing? Why not the 330d from launch?

[nik patel]

Originally Posted by Dr Forinor

That is a strange thing? Why not the 330d from launch?

Exactly! You would think it would be the other way round!

[Consett Mag]

Another reason for me not to drive in London.

I'll cope, but an extra tax for some.

[SkyJawa]

330d was around earlier than the 335...... I would guess that's why.

[Wills2]

Birmingham are also thinking about a congestion charge, it's utter madness they seem to be lining up with Mr Bezos hell bent on turning every city centre into a ghost town.

I guess Manchester and Leeds will also follow at some point to increase the tax take because all the shops are closing down, but when there are no shops they'll be no cars to tax....

It's all counter intuitive they don't want you to drive in, but need you too so they tax you for environmental reasons, they get the money but the environment still gets damaged, so nothing changes other than we have less money to spend in the shops and then the shops then take less still suffering crippling business rates and then close down...

Madness...

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Birmingham are also thinking about a congestion charge, it's utter madness they seem to be lining up with Mr Bezos hell bent on turning every city centre into a ghost town.

I guess Manchester and Leeds will also follow at some point to increase the tax take because all the shops are closing down, but when there are no shops they'll be no cars to tax....

It's all counter intuitive they don't want you to drive in, but need you too so they tax you for environmental reasons, they get the money but the environment still gets damaged, so nothing changes other than we have less money to spend in the shops and then the shops then take less still suffering crippling business rates and then close down...

Madness...

Manchester tried for a congestion charge in 2007 - to fund and extension to the tram system. They couldnt get the necessary support amongst councils that make up GMC. I doubt they will try again for a while after how much it cost.... They may introduce a pollution charge though as that would be more politically acceptable now...

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There are quite a few places heading towards clean air zones around 2020.

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/fleet-fa...-air-zones-caz

For some cities it will gut them as they do not have the infrastructure to cater for nexus hubs etc.

I can see it all being a shambles.

I was in Birmingham this week and a company I was visiting was looking at moving out of the city as the control zone could have an impact on their business.

[Hooded]

Originally Posted by Brigand

There are quite a few places heading towards clean air zones around 2020.

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/fleet-fa...-air-zones-caz

For some cities it will gut them as they do not have the infrastructure to cater for nexus hubs etc.

I can see it all being a shambles.

I was in Birmingham this week and a company I was visiting was looking at moving out of the city as the control zone could have an impact on their business.

Yep .. I personally will just avoid any city that charges me to enter.

[nik patel]

Also found the below today

https://www.petrolprices.com/news/ci...-fight-diesel/

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by nik patel

Also found the below today

https://www.petrolprices.com/news/ci...-fight-diesel/

But it's all arse about tit, we don't want to make money we just want to improve the air quality but money we know we will make (because hardly anyone will change their habits and we know it because the public transport system is rubbish) = same pollution levels but more money out of peoples pockets.

If Leeds hadn't spent millions and millions cutting the road capacity with cycle and bus only lanes into the city perhaps they wouldn't have a pollution problem, they are responsible for the 2-3 miles of standing chugging traffic every morning and night as they live in a fantasy world where they think they can control peoples habits without providing a viable alternative.

[nik patel]

Originally Posted by Wills2

But it's all arse about tit, we don't want to make money we just want to improve the air quality but money we know we will make (because hardly anyone will change their habits and we know it because the public transport system is rubbish) = same pollution levels but more money out of peoples pockets.

If Leeds hadn't spent millions and millions cutting the road capacity with cycle and bus only lanes into the city perhaps they wouldn't have a pollution problem, they are responsible for the 2-3 miles of standing chugging traffic every morning and night as they live in a fantasy world where they think they can control peoples habits without providing a viable alternative.

Exactly!

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by nik patel

Exactly!

They opened a new small train station last year and you'd have thought they'd created the entire railway network they made such a song and dance about it.

It's pathetic if they want us off the roads they need to reopen all the old lines and rebuild the stations.

As an example Manchester is only 50 miles from me yet takes over 2 hours and 3 trains to get there....

Northern power house my arse!

[vadimo]

Isn't the zone will become 0 emission after 2021? So if you have Euro 6 engine it's just matter of time till that start to incurr penalties