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      04-17-2019, 03:19 PM   #23
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I do high miles in my M4. 17k miles since August last year. I drive it hard whenever I can, and averaging 24.5mpg since then. Ranging from 7mpg on track to 35mpg on a steady run. Rears will last me about 15-16k at a guess and the fronts maybe low 20s. I don't think running costs are actually all that bad given the performance. If I'm going to do that many miles I'd rather do them in this than anything else.

It's hands down the best car I've ever had and worth every penny and more over a standard F30. I like convertibles but not 4 seater ones... just too heavy and compromised. I looked at M2 but wanted more upmarket interior and HUD, better leather etc. But you've just got to drive and go with your heart.
This was what i was hoping for. Running costs seem reasonable for an M car. Roads near me are pretty low on traffic and the A and B roads are not a bad drive out to the countryside. The Mrs now has a decent Polo for tootling around town which cuts down on the silly little trips down the shop etc. Its those trips are where MPG sucks and you kerb your alloys or have to park in tiny spaces.

If i dont do it now chances are i wont do it until M cars are self driving running on anti matter.

Ive run some numbers on depreciation and even if i finance it seems that it should never be in negative equity even using WBAC. So if im forced to bail out for some reason i wont catch a cold on it.
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I'd say you are getting significantly more car for your money with an F8x CP - which you pick is personal preference - you really want to go for full leather to lift the interior quality... consider an exhaust upgrade - MPE is fantastic, if you are looking pre OPF cars, completes the package and would justify going for a cab - trust me , you won't stop grinning... There was a recent thread on F8x forum on mpg with the 27mpg I get seeming to be a typical average in mixed use... I think you need to go CP and not the base model... The major svce is the only big ticket item apart from when you need to put an extended warranty on it...
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I'd say you are getting significantly more car for your money with an F8x CP - which you pick is personal preference - you really want to go for full leather to lift the interior quality... consider an exhaust upgrade - MPE is fantastic, if you are looking pre OPF cars, completes the package and would justify going for a cab - trust me , you won't stop grinning... There was a recent thread on F8x forum on mpg with the 27mpg I get seeming to be a typical average in mixed use... I think you need to go CP and not the base model... The major svce is the only big ticket item apart from when you need to put an extended warranty on it...
Have you had a quote for an extended warranty. I tend to go for 250 excess comprehensive without emergency services.

That big service is a huge ripoff I've been reading. Are there any tricks to avoid being stung?

Are opf cars ones with particle filters? When did they come in?
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I'd say you are getting significantly more car for your money with an F8x CP - which you pick is personal preference - you really want to go for full leather to lift the interior quality... consider an exhaust upgrade - MPE is fantastic, if you are looking pre OPF cars, completes the package and would justify going for a cab - trust me , you won't stop grinning... There was a recent thread on F8x forum on mpg with the 27mpg I get seeming to be a typical average in mixed use... I think you need to go CP and not the base model... The major svce is the only big ticket item apart from when you need to put an extended warranty on it...
Have you had a quote for an extended warranty. I tend to go for 250 excess comprehensive without emergency services.

That big service is a huge ripoff I've been reading. Are there any tricks to avoid being stung?

Are opf cars ones with particle filters? When did they come in?
They came in around summer 2018. I got a car ahead of that thankfully.

You should definitely go have a drive of coupe and check for yourself how it feels compared to the cab.

I'm not sure there's all that much you can do about the cost of the major service except not use a main dealer, or perhaps find one that will allow you to supply your own oil.
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They came in around summer 2018. I got a car ahead of that thankfully.

You should definitely go have a drive of coupe and check for yourself how it feels compared to the cab.

I'm not sure there's all that much you can do about the cost of the major service except not use a main dealer, or perhaps find one that will allow you to supply your own oil.
There is no requirement to use main dealers any more though is there even with insured warranty? I think i got told as long as equivalent quality parts were used and serviced on time even insured warranty would be fine?

I know now why the M2 fits where it does. 500 a month versus 700 a month is a big step up to a M4 CP unless you go budget on low spec M4 CP. Problem is that the M2 doesnt seem like much more car than the M240i other than in the looks department and they are running around 10-15k less than an M2 same age without all the running costs. But i wouldnt buy a 240i

I have a feeling the M lite next gen cars are going to fill a gap in the range in the 1, 2 3 & 4 series. 2.0T 306hp, low running costs are going to put a gap between M lite and M again. But M lite will be super cheap performance in the running cost department
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Cars registered in July 2018 had to have filter and ahead of then the carbon prop was replaced for steel in preparation (to make room for it) - this didn't happen to F80 as they accelerated end of production instead. Sound has been impacted as has the ability to upgrade the exhaust although some are starting to become available, so if you aren't buying new you may as well get one that isn't muffled and missing most of the pops and bangs. Can't comment on warranty cost as mine is one of the last F80s so a while to go but expect it to be high relative to F3x and I wouldn't recommend running an M car without warranty - not that they are unreliable but when something happens it can be eye watering! Servicing - you will be able to find M specialists that will do it cheaper and that will be fine, but it will never be F3x money. I had a service pack on mine but if the car is low miles you may not get to the 2nd service within the 3 years - with your miles you probably will, so finding one with the pack will save you >£1000...
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The MPG and tyre life seems hugely impressive! Talking better than my current S4, and a huge chunk better than I see reported on C63's.
I was thinking M4 Cab, Alfa Giulia Quad or C63 - but the running costs seem much higher in the latter two.
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The MPG and tyre life seems hugely impressive! Talking better than my current S4, and a huge chunk better than I see reported on C63's.
I was thinking M4 Cab, Alfa Giulia Quad or C63 - but the running costs seem much higher in the latter two.
They're entirely dependent on how you drive it. Plenty only have them as a weekend use type of car in which case they may average in the teens, whereas I use mine for everyday commuting where I'm stuck going whatever speed everyone else is, which no doubt helps mine look reasonable.
Same with the tyres. I'm not someone sliding it round roundabouts or doing launch starts, so i get reasonable tyre wear. It's all relative though... I think it's reasonable, yet our 330e is on 68k miles with the original front tyres, and the rears lasted 55k. It also costs half the pence per mile in petrol that the M4 does, so in that light perhaps not so reasonable.
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I would say it is possible to get over 30mpg from an M3 - but its not the norm. You have to be driving pretty economically with a very light foot to achieve this (which is quite hard in an M3).

You'll certainly get 25-30mpg typically on a run and expect less around town.

But I do think for a 450bhp car it is pretty economical, given the performance. Just don't expect 2.0L economy (or even 340i economy).

As for a C63s - I don't think I ever got over 30mpg in that. Maybe once.
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This is a tough choice to make. I test drove the M4 and I have to say that the DCT was pretty jerky in traffic. I didn't experience this in the TT but I wasnt really taking much notice either at the time.

The M4 in the looks department is unreal. CP is a must but adds serious heft to the cost. If you drive over a penny in those tyres you can feel it. It handles bumps better than expected but I bet it would be horrible over some surfaces.

I've yet to get one in the damp and wet yet and that is probably my biggest concern as I could slide it in the dry.

I'm starting to think my original quest for a fast 4wd makes more sense. Cheap running costs with 4.5s to 62 and awd and adaptive suspension has me looking back towards the Audi camp. Its probably the most fun you can have with 14p a mile.

Or go for an RS3 or TTRS 2.5 engine as a half way house.
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This is a tough choice to make. I test drove the M4 and I have to say that the DCT was pretty jerky in traffic. I didn't experience this in the TT but I wasnt really taking much notice either at the time.

The M4 in the looks department is unreal. CP is a must but adds serious heft to the cost. If you drive over a penny in those tyres you can feel it. It handles bumps better than expected but I bet it would be horrible over some surfaces.

I've yet to get one in the damp and wet yet and that is probably my biggest concern as I could slide it in the dry.

I'm starting to think my original quest for a fast 4wd makes more sense. Cheap running costs with 4.5s to 62 and awd and adaptive suspension has me looking back towards the Audi camp. Its probably the most fun you can have with 14p a mile.

Or go for an RS3 or TTRS 2.5 engine as a half way house.
What age was this car?

The newer cars have a quite different feel and my car has immense traction, even in the wet, as far as I'm concerned.

Hard for me to comment on the ride now as I'm on coilovers, but I'd say road noise in some surfaces is definitely an issue!
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You really have to play around with the settings - with gearbox set to 1 and engine in economy or sport you really shouldn't find it jerky on CP later cars. What you report sounds like gearbox was in 2 or 3 (they really are for when you want to push on). Earlier cars were not as good from what I hear and mapping has been refined over the years and I believe dealers will apply the latest map if you ask (or you do it yourself with BM3 - with that you can set it up how you like). Ultimately M cars are hardcore but can be set to be softer and are best approached that way which is why if you mention AWD on Cutters you will ritually humiliated - so it may not be the car for you - you really need an extended test drive in as late a car/current as possible to really get to grips with what it is going to be like for you. For me it is the perfect Jekyll & Hyde car - it can be economic (30+) and it can be comfortable (surprisingly so - my wife thinks it is one of our most comfortable cars until we go under a bridge and I behave like a kid ), but ultimately it is one of the quickest sub £100k cars out there and I'm talking how it can attack a road - the grip it can find is unreal. Tyres are noisy but that is more down to the tyre than anything (their noise rating is amongst the worst) - there is less insulation between you and them but that is why the car is so good - some change to the latest Goodyears (much quieter tyre) and report good grip alongside a big noise reduction- some don't care and just change rears (not fronts) to MPS4S to get more grip in the wet...
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What age was this car?

The newer cars have a quite different feel and my car has immense traction, even in the wet, as far as I'm concerned.

Hard for me to comment on the ride now as I'm on coilovers, but I'd say road noise in some surfaces is definitely an issue!
These are about 12 to 18 months old.

I believe the CP has had the power delivery cut in the low gears to keep the wheels from losing traction.

I'm not too concerned with that element as unless sun is out and dry I'm not really pushing it.

The bigger issue is the CP comes at a huge premium or basically bare bones without any other options. After driving a CP I cant bring myself to buy the economy version

I should have just drove the M2 and I'd have been happy with that living in ignorance
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You really have to play around with the settings - with gearbox set to 1 and engine in economy or sport you really shouldn't find it jerky on CP later cars. What you report sounds like gearbox was in 2 or 3 (they really are for when you want to push on). Earlier cars were not as good from what I hear and mapping has been refined over the years and I believe dealers will apply the latest map if you ask (or you do it yourself with BM3 - with that you can set it up how you like). Ultimately M cars are hardcore but can be set to be softer and are best approached that way which is why if you mention AWD on Cutters you will ritually humiliated - so it may not be the car for you - you really need an extended test drive in as late a car/current as possible to really get to grips with what it is going to be like for you. For me it is the perfect Jekyll & Hyde car - it can be economic (30+) and it can be comfortable (surprisingly so - my wife thinks it is one of our most comfortable cars until we go under a bridge and I behave like a kid ), but ultimately it is one of the quickest sub 100k cars out there and I'm talking how it can attack a road - the grip it can find is unreal. Tyres are noisy but that is more down to the tyre than anything (their noise rating is amongst the worst) - there is less insulation between you and them but that is why the car is so good - some change to the latest Goodyears (much quieter tyre) and report good grip alongside a big noise reduction- some don't care and just change rears (not fronts) to MPS4S to get more grip in the wet...
I really need an extended test drive to be sure. I did notice that comfort was much better with the DCT. But I didn't get the same traffic as I did in the other car when it wasnt in comfort at all. I did notice that there was no easy way to creep forward. Is that the case with yours?
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That's because it is a DCT - so its like a manual when in neutral- just a slight touch on the go pedal puts it in creep mode in fwd or reverse...
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It is more challenging in really tight spots where you just want to inch forward or back slightly but aside from that it is well behaved in my experience...
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It is more challenging in really tight spots where you just want to inch forward or back slightly but aside from that it is well behaved in my experience...
I agree. They improved the creep a lot since the early M4 to the last M3CP I had. It was well executed there.

In the M4 it was sqeaky bum time when parking up to a wall.
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Driving my 430 in the sun today makes me want the M4.

Costs a fortune to buy a run but on days like today it's worth it. Even with no exhaust sound and about 285bhp I can only imagine how much fun the M4 would be this weekend
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Driving my 430 in the sun today makes me want the M4.

Costs a fortune to buy a run but on days like today it's worth it. Even with no exhaust sound and about 285bhp I can only imagine how much fun the M4 would be this weekend
yup, i felt exactly the same in my 440i driving today lol.
i find this thread and now i'm seriously contemplating trying to swap the 440i for a financed M4, after less than a year of ownership.

so its definitely possible to get such a car, provided you get decent APR, and stay in equity then?
i bought my 440i in cash, 27k. it was most of my savings. i'm now thinking, sell it, free up some cash, and just get a financed M4.

could we expect to get some savage deals on a new M4 as it nears end of life then? when's the best time?

maybe i should swallow a sensible pill, get the 440i mapped to 400+ and stick the MPPSK on it and i guess that would keep me happy. But the car also needs a limited slip diff and much better suspension, so i'm talking about 5k in upgrades.....i guess thats still cheaper than an M4. god i dont know what to do.
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yup, i felt exactly the same in my 440i driving today lol.
i find this thread and now i'm seriously contemplating trying to swap the 440i for a financed M4, after less than a year of ownership.

so its definitely possible to get such a car, provided you get decent APR, and stay in equity then?
i bought my 440i in cash, 27k. it was most of my savings. i'm now thinking, sell it, free up some cash, and just get a financed M4.

could we expect to get some savage deals on a new M4 as it nears end of life then? when's the best time?

maybe i should swallow a sensible pill, get the 440i mapped to 400+ and stick the MPPSK on it and i guess that would keep me happy. But the car also needs a limited slip diff and much better suspension, so i'm talking about 5k in upgrades.....i guess thats still cheaper than an M4. god i dont know what to do.
I won't comment on the financial wisdom, you know what you can afford and, if you can do so, then a M-car is a good itch to scratch :-) Two other points though:

A 440i is no junior M-car and no amount of horsepower will make it so. To get the full M-car experience, you need a full M-car, not a breathed-on standard range model. [No experience of Ms, that's just how I have always seen it based on the mechanical spec (motor aside) of the Ms).

Don't take a laughable BMW trade-in for your 440i. Sell it privately or on Tootle - you'll probably end up selling it to a BMW dealer for thousands more than the trade-in offer if it's a nice spec! [This from experience]
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yup, i felt exactly the same in my 440i driving today lol.
i find this thread and now i'm seriously contemplating trying to swap the 440i for a financed M4, after less than a year of ownership.

so its definitely possible to get such a car, provided you get decent APR, and stay in equity then?
i bought my 440i in cash, £27k. it was most of my savings. i'm now thinking, sell it, free up some cash, and just get a financed M4.

could we expect to get some savage deals on a new M4 as it nears end of life then? when's the best time?

maybe i should swallow a sensible pill, get the 440i mapped to 400+ and stick the MPPSK on it and i guess that would keep me happy. But the car also needs a limited slip diff and much better suspension, so i'm talking about £5k in upgrades.....i guess thats still cheaper than an M4. god i dont know what to do.
I won't comment on the financial wisdom, you know what you can afford and, if you can do so, then a M-car is a good itch to scratch :-) Two other points though:

A 440i is no junior M-car and no amount of horsepower will make it so. To get the full M-car experience, you need a full M-car, not a breathed-on standard range model. [No experience of Ms, that's just how I have always seen it based on the mechanical spec (motor aside) of the Ms).

Don't take a laughable BMW trade-in for your 440i. Sell it privately or on Tootle - you'll probably end up selling it to a BMW dealer for thousands more than the trade-in offer if it's a nice spec! [This from experience]
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yup, i felt exactly the same in my 440i driving today lol.
i find this thread and now i'm seriously contemplating trying to swap the 440i for a financed M4, after less than a year of ownership.

so its definitely possible to get such a car, provided you get decent APR, and stay in equity then?
i bought my 440i in cash, £27k. it was most of my savings. i'm now thinking, sell it, free up some cash, and just get a financed M4.

could we expect to get some savage deals on a new M4 as it nears end of life then? when's the best time?

maybe i should swallow a sensible pill, get the 440i mapped to 400+ and stick the MPPSK on it and i guess that would keep me happy. But the car also needs a limited slip diff and much betterl suspension, so i'm talking about £5k in upgrades.....i guess thats still cheaper than an M4. god i dont know what to do.
I won't comment on the financial wisdom, you know what you can afford and, if you can do so, then a M-car is a good itch to scratch :-) Two other points though:

A 440i is no junior M-car and no amount of horsepower will make it so. To get the full M-car experience, you need a full M-car, not a breathed-on standard range model. [No experience of Ms, that's just how I have always seen it based on the mechanical spec (motor aside) of the Ms).

Don't take a laughable BMW trade-in for your 440i. Sell it privately or on Tootle - you'll probably end up selling it to a BMW dealer for thousands more than the trade-in offer if it's a nice spec! [This from experience]
What he said.

I've driven an M4 and it actively made me want a 440i because I needed something that was slanted more towards day to day work but had 300+ bhp and a straight six to let the engine howl on the weekends.

If I had less daily driving I'd have gone for an M4 but it is a car that comes with a different set of compromises.

I personally think moving to a 440i to an M4 won't be so different that you wonder if it was worth it. A sideways glance at that sort of money would open up possibilities to other cars like a used GTR, 911, AM Vantage etc...

Definitely try tootle or private, the dealers may offer fab M4 deals but the trade in will be pish. They give with one hand and take with the other.
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I honestly don't think a remapped 440i would give anything like the thrills or driving experience of the M4. My 335d was modified to death and was no where close, my dad has a M135i on Birds suspension and again, nowhere close. Good in their own rights, but most definitely not a Mcar.
For most folks a fettled 440i is pretty good place to be for daily driver usage, and I nearly went down that route, but knowing I'd track it too, was another reason to go Mcar.
Plus, I'd got to my 40s, and lifelong BMW fan, with 8 previous 3 series, and it was long overdue!
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