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      07-26-2019, 09:29 AM   #353
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This! Everyone that can afford one, will have one. The streets will be over run with these. Case in point - see the guy in the Hawaiian shirt and the guy with the "wife-beater"/tank top in the first pic. This is the classification of individuals you will now be associated with. Beautiful car and "spec"tacular....but when everyone can have one, everyone will have one. Good on GM for being able to pull this off, but releasing cars like this, at an affordable price point, is going to hurt the market overall I think.

I've seen too many drug/kingpin type movies to know that when you release an amazing product at a cheap price point, you end up with a target on your back. I don't foresee this lasting very long. There will either be catastrophic issues....or....I don't know, maybe I'm wrong and this will become the new standard. In my opinion, the safe bet is sit back, take notes and see how this plays out before jumping in.

C8 will be everyones DD.
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      07-26-2019, 09:31 AM   #354
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C8 will be everyones DD.
Yup. We'll all be sick of seeing these things in just a few months. It'll be the next Camaro.
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      07-26-2019, 09:32 AM   #355
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what happened to corvette simple sport design.

this thing like the z06 is way too busy.

I only want my supercars with this level of styling.

looks nice tho
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what happened to corvette simple sport design.

this thing like the z06 is way too busy.

I only want my supercars with this level of styling.

looks nice tho
Who cares this is the point. Affordable priced car that looks like a damn supercar!

If anyone wants a "normal" styled one just get a C7.
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      07-26-2019, 10:22 AM   #358
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These will be a dime a dozen just like every Corvette after 2 years. Keep your NSX.
At the same time... NSX slow and old. But if you want to do the smart move keep NSX for sure.
"Old" is a good quality In sports cars. Means it will be fun and engaging unlike most modern cars...
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      07-26-2019, 10:26 AM   #359
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"Old" is a good quality In sports cars. Means it will be fun and engaging unlike most modern cars...
Well not for everyone I guess. I rather have a modern-ish sports car. It's why I went 335is over E46 M3.
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      07-26-2019, 10:43 AM   #360
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This! Everyone that can afford one, will have one. The streets will be over run with these. Case in point - see the guy in the Hawaiian shirt and the guy with the "wife-beater"/tank top in the first pic. This is the classification of individuals you will now be associated with. Beautiful car and "spec"tacular....but when everyone can have one, everyone will have one. Good on GM for being able to pull this off, but releasing cars like this, at an affordable price point, is going to hurt the market overall I think.

I've seen too many drug/kingpin type movies to know that when you release an amazing product at a cheap price point, you end up with a target on your back. I don't foresee this lasting very long. There will either be catastrophic issues....or....I don't know, maybe I'm wrong and this will become the new standard. In my opinion, the safe bet is sit back, take notes and see how this plays out before jumping in.
LOL. What would you be saying if the base price was $110K... "GM is overcharging for this POS"

Are the streets overrun with C7's? I don't see that many in my neck of the woods. I see more Caymans then 'Vettes.
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You think fluids are going to add nearly 250lbs to the weight of the car?

Isn't the published dry weight 3366.
3,600 is C&D's estimate based on the 3,366 lbs dry weight. For reference, the base C7 weighs 3,348 soaking wet (full tank of gas, operating fluids, etc).

Using the C7 as basis for weight, here are the fluid capacities:

18.5 gallons of fuel: 6.073 lbs x 18.5 = 112.35 lbs
11.3 qt of coolant: 2 lbs x 11.3 = 22.6 lbs
9.7 qt of 0W-40: 1.7 lbs x 9.7 = 16.49 lbs
1.75 gallons of windshield washer fluid: 8.34 lbs x 1.75 = 14.59 lbs
6 qt of 75w-90 gear and transmission lubricant: 1.7 lbs x 6 = 10.2 lbs

These are just the major fluids that I can think of off the top of my head. 176 lbs without factoring other ancillary fluids like brake hydraulic fluid (1 liter), eLSD fluid (can't find the capacity of ATF that's required to operate the eLSD), refrigerant, etc, but I suspect adding another 10 lbs or so isn't out of the norm.

Let's take a conservative estimate of 180 lbs for all fluids, you're at 3,546 (heavier than the C7 Z06 curb weight of 3,524) for the base model. Add the fact that the Z51 package will likely come with bigger iron rotors and a slew of other mechanical upgrades (performance exhaust etc), a 3,600+ lbs curb weight for a lightly equipped C8 with Z51 package is a very conservative estimate.

And you haven't even added the driver yet.
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      07-26-2019, 10:50 AM   #362
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I really like the new C8 but don't sell your NSX for it. You'd regret it after a year.
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the car looks good and has good spec but nobody knows what the reliability is. As a brand new model that is a very high risk in my mind until somebody puts 50-60k mi on it. As an example consider Alfa qf
The engine is not any different than any other high performance GM small block. Okay, the transmission is new, but built by Tremec. The frame looks pretty stout to my trained eyes. Other than layout, what really is that new that GM doesn't know how to do? Caddy V-series cars are just as, and more powerful. The frame has hints of Alpha in it. GM has plenty experience in building reliable cars.

The electrical system is new for the Corvette platform, but not new for GM. What is high-risk in your mind?
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This! Everyone that can afford one, will have one. The streets will be over run with these. Case in point - see the guy in the Hawaiian shirt and the guy with the "wife-beater"/tank top in the first pic. This is the classification of individuals you will now be associated with. Beautiful car and "spec"tacular....but when everyone can have one, everyone will have one. Good on GM for being able to pull this off, but releasing cars like this, at an affordable price point, is going to hurt the market overall I think.

I've seen too many drug/kingpin type movies to know that when you release an amazing product at a cheap price point, you end up with a target on your back. I don't foresee this lasting very long. There will either be catastrophic issues....or....I don't know, maybe I'm wrong and this will become the new standard. In my opinion, the safe bet is sit back, take notes and see how this plays out before jumping in.
Add to that every empty-nest baby boomer who has "always wanted a 'vette." Seems like they are always driving about 10 mph below the speeds of general traffic.
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I think the new C8 is brilliant and I'd have no concerns over reliability. For the price it seems like an unbelievable bargain for half the price of a 718 Boxster Spyder or Cayman GT4. This is the first Corvette I've lusted after since the 1967 427 L88. I'm still happy with my new Z4, but I'll admit that I would have seriously considered the C8 if it was available when I bought the Z4.

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Sooo ... and then there's this:

C7 headroom: 37.9 inches
C8 headroom: 37.9 inches
Current car's headroom (718 Cayman): 39.1 inches

Numbers indicate that shoulder room, leg room, and hip room are all reduced in the C8 -- by almost three inches combined.

I fit like a glove in my 718. I do not fit at all in a C7. (I'm 6-4, 245ish)

C8 ownership by taller drivers is not looking promising. It's all going to depend on the type of removable roof Chevy uses, and whether or not there's a semi-hidden lowered seat option like there is now for the C7.

What, does Chevy think its typical 'vette buyers are getting smaller?
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I cant wait to see one in person. OP, how did you find out about this event at your local dealership?
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This! Everyone that can afford one, will have one. The streets will be over run with these. Case in point - see the guy in the Hawaiian shirt and the guy with the "wife-beater"/tank top in the first pic. This is the classification of individuals you will now be associated with. Beautiful car and "spec"tacular....but when everyone can have one, everyone will have one. Good on GM for being able to pull this off, but releasing cars like this, at an affordable price point, is going to hurt the market overall I think.

I've seen too many drug/kingpin type movies to know that when you release an amazing product at a cheap price point, you end up with a target on your back. I don't foresee this lasting very long. There will either be catastrophic issues....or....I don't know, maybe I'm wrong and this will become the new standard. In my opinion, the safe bet is sit back, take notes and see how this plays out before jumping in.
Add to that every empty-nest baby boomer who has "always wanted a 'vette." Seems like they are always driving about 10 mph below the speeds of general traffic.
I'm good with that, it's one of the reason insurance rates on the Corvette are not typical sports car high.
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2020 Corvette C8 dealer brochure available

2020 Corvette C8 dealer brochure just released, downloadable here:

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There may be a C8 showing in August 1st/2nd at Connell Chevrolet in Orange County, CA.
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Sooo ... and then there's this:

C7 headroom: 37.9 inches
C8 headroom: 37.9 inches
Current car's headroom (718 Cayman): 39.1 inches

Numbers indicate that shoulder room, leg room, and hip room are all reduced in the C8 -- by almost three inches combined.

I fit like a glove in my 718. I do not fit at all in a C7. (I'm 6-4, 245ish)

C8 ownership by taller drivers is not looking promising. It's all going to depend on the type of removable roof Chevy uses, and whether or not there's a semi-hidden lowered seat option like there is now for the C7.

What, does Chevy think its typical 'vette buyers are getting smaller?
One of the few times there's a benefit to being short(er).
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For arguments sake letís assume that the C8 comes in at 3600lb and Iím guessing it will be under and lets take the Ferrari 458 as a example, mid engine, V8 N/A, two seat sports car. Curb weight of the F car is 3,450lb. Using these figures the Vette will come in at 150lb more the 458. Considering the Italian with all its extra cost carbon fiber and super light weight reductions and costs more then 3X the price of the Corvette I donít think thatís bad at all.

Todayís weights arenít what was back Ďin the dayí even in the eighties. Check out other ďmodernĒ sports cars and the weight of the new C8 isnít far off the average.
Iíll add that I think the new Corvette will handle well and lay down some very impressive numbers on the track. Then hold on and see what happens when the Z cars make their appearance. Like the two prior generations they will find themselves very near the top contenders of track time lists.
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Sooo ... and then there's this:

C7 headroom: 37.9 inches
C8 headroom: 37.9 inches
Current car's headroom (718 Cayman): 39.1 inches

Numbers indicate that shoulder room, leg room, and hip room are all reduced in the C8 -- by almost three inches combined.

I fit like a glove in my 718. I do not fit at all in a C7. (I'm 6-4, 245ish)

C8 ownership by taller drivers is not looking promising. It's all going to depend on the type of removable roof Chevy uses, and whether or not there's a semi-hidden lowered seat option like there is now for the C7.

What, does Chevy think its typical 'vette buyers are getting smaller?
Guess they are concerned more about fitting the American ‘norm’ and keeping a lower center of gravity and other dimensions tighter.
If you were even thinking about buying one, look on the bright side, you can do a “Gurney Bubble”.
https://www.healthline.com/health/av...height-for-men
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