[sjbender]

Originally Posted by jkwhar

'13 n26 with 85k miles checking-in. I got the dreaded high pitch whine and confirmed by my friend who works at mini/bmw. I started to build out the parts and tools list to do it myself but now wondering if I should wait and see how this class action lawsuit goes.

If you are able to I would wait just a bit longer BUT if you must, keep all your receipts. Luckily I have a second car so I do not need this car, hence why it is sitting at the dealer. Frustrating that I have to keep paying a loan and insurance on a car I can not use. My 2001 E46 is still doing great!

BTW, The engine went at 102k miles. The sounds started around 80k. I should have done my homework then, and fixed it.

In regards to modifying the engine. I can 'almost' guarantee you that will void any warranty so good luck getting them to fix the engine if yours fails with add-ons.

All IMO of course.

[jkwhar]

Originally Posted by sjbender

If you are able to I would wait just a bit longer BUT if you must, keep all your receipts. Luckily I have a second car so I do not need this car, hence why it is sitting at the dealer. Frustrating that I have to keep paying a loan and insurance on a car I can not use. My 2001 E46 is still doing great!

BTW, The engine went at 102k miles. The sounds started around 80k. I should have done my homework then, and fixed it.

In regards to modifying the engine. I can 'almost' guarantee you that will void any warranty so good luck getting them to fix the engine if yours fails with add-ons.

All IMO of course.

The date of the conference call is on Monday so I'm just crossing my fingers. But for now, I just ordered the timing tool but that has a 30 day return policy. Its going to take a few weeks for me to get all the parts and tools in so I'm playing it by ear.

What actually failed on your car? I know I'm on borrowed time.

[jojo7]

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[jkwhar]

Any update?

[sjbender]

Full docket text for document 54:
TEXT ORDER: The Court will hold a telephone conference, to be initiated by plaintiff, on 11/1/19 at 9:45am. Parties may contact chambers at (973) 776 7862. So Ordered by Magistrate Judge Cathy L. Waldor on 9/16/19. (tjg, )

[jkwhar]

Originally Posted by sjbender

Full docket text for document 54:
TEXT ORDER: The Court will hold a telephone conference, to be initiated by plaintiff, on 11/1/19 at 9:45am. Parties may contact chambers at (973) 776 7862. So Ordered by Magistrate Judge Cathy L. Waldor on 9/16/19. (tjg, )

I'm not holding my breath anymore. I don't see this getting resolved before the end of this year. I'm just going to go ahead and do it myself.

[sjbender]

I doubt we will hear anything by the end of the year. The lawsuit is two years old next week...

[jkwhar]

Originally Posted by sjbender

I doubt we will hear anything by the end of the year. The lawsuit is two years old next week...

Sheesh.

Wish me luck with the diy timing chain haha.

[jsouth]

Originally Posted by jkwhar

Any update?

Have you taken a video or audio recording and gone to a dealer? I'd certainly try that just for documentation in case you DIY and later they try to say it was unnecessary.

[natesi]

I don't dislike BMW -- of course. I want them to succeed and continue making great cars.

But they handled this all wrong.

Not only do I hope they are forced to take care of their customers, like they should have, from the beginning -- but now I wish there were punitive damages to punish them for their stupidity and unethical behavior.

[sjbender]

Originally Posted by Bmac850

has anyone had any luck getting BMW to replace their motor after the 70,000-mile warranty expired? I am looking for some cases to use against BMW as I believe they are turning people down due to the pending class action. They again offered 2500 bucks and said that was their final offer. They also refused to let me speak to anyone in management at BMWNA. I have never been treated so poorly by a company of this size ever! I only hope they get hammered in court!!!!

Apparently some people have had success with the local dealers replacing the engines at no cost. Others have had BMWNA pay a portion of the repairs. I would most certaintly 'assume' that they are not going to willingly pay for repairs while the suit is in the courts. That almost admits guilt. You can call BMWNA directly and ask for help but like you mentioned, I was only allowed to go up one level and it was just a waste of time. Part of the case has a complaint alleging that BMW knew of the defect and was using this to generate revenue (money) through service in repairs. That part I believe was dismissed but the engine failure was not. I would just like them to replace the engine, although I am now out of a usable car for 7 months. It would be nice if there was some time of compensation for this.

I totally agree with that they handled this wrong. I am sure there is a HUGE price tag to go along with this... They wanted 18k to replace my engine so using 15k assuming a moddest 50,000 cars... 750 million is a lot of money.

Probably cheaper for a buyback honestly. Give me a M6 and we can call it even!

[sjbender]

I'll keep updating this thread with court docket information as they come along. Here is the newest court order. Its only updating the next teleconference.

Full docket text for document 55:
TEXT ORDER: The Court will reschedule the 11/1/19 conference to 10/31/19 at. So Ordered by Magistrate Judge Cathy L. Waldor on 9/24/19. (tjg, )

[Mendo2019]

Just a quick update from me, just finished putting the engine back together. Good as new (or better?) All updated parts, hopefully i can get another 100K out of this thing. I now have all the tools AND experience to fix the timing chain problem, so, if after the suit settles and some of you don't benefit, do hit me up and i will help out. I have all the receipts and haven't added them up yet, but the total cost is around $1500 (parts and Harbor Freight tools). Thanks and good weekend all!

[floridaorange]

Originally Posted by sjbender

I'll keep updating this thread with court docket information as they come along. Here is the newest court order. Its only updating the next teleconference.

Full docket text for document 55:
TEXT ORDER: The Court will reschedule the 11/1/19 conference to 10/31/19 at. So Ordered by Magistrate Judge Cathy L. Waldor on 9/24/19. (tjg, )

What are the potential outcomes of the court case? It's only applicable to those who have had timing chain issues?

[Mendo2019]

When i was considering putting a new engine in, eBay had several available and you can look at seller’s reputation. 2016 might be more expensive and all you’ll get it same thing with updated timing chain and i’m not sure if you’ll run in into any compatibility issues as there may be minor changes. Me being European living in US, i shipped all the parts from Europe for half the cost what it is here in US. Same brands. All the parts cost me around $1200 but i went as far as replacing cylinder rings, rod bearings etc. i only had 1 bent valve and did it myself in my driveway. Let me know if you have any additional questions.

[Wgosma]

I have good friend in wholesale Euro parts biz in NYC; a year or so ago we chatted about the 4 banger motor issues, at the time he told me BMW was selling replacement N20/26 engines for darn cheap- IIRC in $4k range.
This was when the timing chain guide failure issue was kind of hot.

[F30lolz]

Great thread!

From my understanding the updated parts were from 01/15 and on but recently there is a bulletin from BMW that the 7/70 warranty is up to 02/15. So maybe n20 produced from 01/15 to 02/15 may or may not have the updated parts? Is it true that looking into the oil filler, if you see white timing chain guides it’s the new parts vs yellow it’s the old?

[Mendo2019]

Correct, just unscrew the oil cap (where you put the oil) and you will clearly see the chain and rails. As you said, white - new, old - dark yellow/brown. I can take a picture of mine in the morning as it now has a couple of hundred miles on it. Thanks

[F30lolz]

Originally Posted by Mendo2019

Correct, just unscrew the oil cap (where you put the oil) and you will clearly see the chain and rails. As you said, white - new, old - dark yellow/brown. I can take a picture of mine in the morning as it now has a couple of hundred miles on it. Thanks

Just looked at my recently acquired 01/15 built 428 GC and the chain guide is brown haha. I don’t have the symptoms (yet) but I’m at around 57k miles. I will pick around at my local dealers but since this isn’t a recall, the engine has to either:

A. Experience the whine for them to do the warranty work?
B. Blow up for them to do the warranty work?

I have until my odometer hits 100k miles to get this replaced preventatively as my Maxcare warranty ends at that mileage. Bmw knew they screwed up and they won’t stand by their product and give a lousy warranty rather than a recall.

[eddymerckx3]

Originally Posted by Mendo2019

Correct, just unscrew the oil cap (where you put the oil) and you will clearly see the chain and rails. As you said, white - new, old - dark yellow/brown. I can take a picture of mine in the morning as it now has a couple of hundred miles on it. Thanks

....this is NOT accurate information . See video posted on previous thread re: inconsistent info on this important timing chain topic. The video clearly shows white timing chain guide being installed in an n20 engine in 2012.

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1415105

[F30lolz]

Originally Posted by eddymerckx3

....this is NOT accurate information . See video posted on previous thread re: inconsistent info on this important timing chain topic. The video clearly shows white timing chain guide being installed in an n20 engine in 2012.

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1415105

Learn something new everyday. This explains why BMW issued the warranty for cars built through 02/15. I’ll get more clarification from dealers soon to see what they’ll say and share on here.

[sjbender]

Full docket text:
Minute Entry for proceedings held before Magistrate Judge Cathy L. Waldor: Telephone Conference held on 10/31/2019. (tjg, )

Just an entry confirming that there was a telephone conference on 10/31. The details of the conference have not been entered as of 11/2.