10-18-2019, 03:04 PM | #45 |
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Just got mine fitted too, very happy with them, although only did 50km or so.
Production version is due October they said. This one is a hybrid version as i’m running the f80 struts bar they have the additional 3 holes for this reason Camber is set at -2.2deg
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It's actually beefier with the spherical bearing. It sticks up past the adjustment. It's very thick.
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10-20-2019, 01:36 AM | #48 |
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Lancelot, How is the ride after installation of these camber plates? I'm in a need for camber adjustment but not in expense of comfortness. Hopefully no affect on noise level..
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It's virtually identical to oem plates, these street camber plates are a very good option for our needs
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Looks like the street version is out of beta and released.
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11-03-2019, 11:24 AM | #51 |
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Interesting design but unless I'm missing something obvious, I don't see how these new poly version camber plates can 'naturally' incorporate camber.
The larger fixed plate is bolted to the suspension turret, therefore is on a fixed plane. The sliding plate, which incorporates the poly washer, bolts to the larger plate and is therefore only adjustable on a fixed plane ((sliding, not rotating). The poly washer is presumably sandwiched between the top plate and the stainless steel washer (visible), which is in turn held in place by a threaded retainer (not visible, but the same approach as for the monoball versions), and therefore on a fixed plane. The damper piston rod is bolted through the stainless steel washer, and is therefore on a fixed plane at 90° to the washer. So, how is a change of plane (change of camber) achieved ? There's no rotating monoball so presumably it's just achieved by deformation (squashing on one hemisphere) of the poly washer causing one side to be loaded and one side to potentially be unloaded. Thoughts ? I'm not knocking Millway; just interested in the operation of this new design.
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If you think about it, all of our bushings work the same way. Your control arm bushings are constantly experiencing forces in all directions. It's just that this load would be static. Quote:
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11-04-2019, 07:36 AM | #54 |
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kern417 The thing is, they ARE recommended for camber - the markings clearly show nearly 3º neg is available. There's a lot of adjustment range in the stadium cut-out.
The poly washer is going to have to take a lot of eccentric loading as camber is increased. I like Millway's top mount designs (simple but effective designs) and build quality but personally I'll stay with the monoball version.
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11-04-2019, 03:02 PM | #55 |
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Hi Guys. I will try to answer some of your questions about the design.
The design is very similar to OE top mounts. The stack height of the damper and spring is the same as original. This is the first thing we must achieve in the design. Already there we are stuck with the fact that the OE damper top pin and thread is extremly short, the strutbar is in the way for the adjuster etc. They also need to fit with all different suspension brands. Regarding the wrong angle of the damper when adjusting camber is already happening with the OE top mounts along the suspension travel. The cars has also different control arm length for different models and continents. Some cars come with -0,5 camber and some with -1,2 but the same top mounts. But this is not a problem because the washer is vulcanized in rubber and designed to change angle. Our poly-washers is preloaded in the assembly so the small angle that occour at camber change is only a small amount of the preload. And unlike rubber the polyurethane we use flows sideways to equal out the force on the washer and damper. It is very similar to the discs you have in your spine. (Another great design) The adjustment range is not 30mm for the street version as the markings show. Full range is only possible if you have the uniball version, which you can upgrade to later if desired. That is why we have full range marked. You can also do the other way and upgrade from uniball to the poly-version without buying completely new camber plates. Our street camber plates will not replace the uniball version. Kind regards from Sweden. Samuel |
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So perhaps uniball is better in some aspects, but it's not a necessity since most situations we don't use this, and it comes at the expense of noise/comfort, which wasn't a tradeoff i was happy to make. So when Samuel at millway proposed this instead of my original intention of using uniball camber plates i jumped at the opportunity Now i'm super happy with the car's front end behavior, it's much more agile and eager to rotate thanks to the adjusted camber.
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Out of interest, what's the recommended maximum negative camber for the poly washer version ?
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It sounds like it's mechanically limited by the design. The plate shows a higher range of adjustment than they allowed it go actually go. So it can't physically go past the recommended max camber.
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Correct! They are mechanically limited to -22mm on all F-series except M2comp, M3 and M4 which is limited to -24mm. Uniball version -27mm and -30mm. 10mm is approximately -1.0 degrees added camber. |
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Thanks.
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I'm running -22mm with my uniball mounts now so the max of -22mm with the poly version is pretty good!
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Zero issues and can be done pretty quickly as well.
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I had these installed by Harold at HP Autosport last Friday. He said they were easy to install and I have put about 500 miles of highway use on them. Overall the NVH increase is very minimal. On occasion, I can hear a bit of soft clunking noise at sub-10mph speeds over rough surfaces, but it could be the valving on my Ohlins R&T. On the highway, there is slightly more vibration through the steering wheel on coarse surfaces and slightly more road noise. It is not enough to be bothersome though.
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Great to hear.
I know most other people rack up miles much faster than me, but I've now put about 4000 miles on the monoball plates in the past 7 months and still no metallic sounds or rattling. Honestly, I've had plates in the past that began rattling within 100 miles so I'm not very worried about these at all. Very satisfied with the results. I won't be driving it much now that it's winter, so don't expect many updates from me until March |
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