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Can’t we all just get along??? It’s “insert holiday you care about here”.
Besides, BMW does whatever China decides they like.
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12-24-2023, 08:46 PM | #91 |
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smart move. while MB and WAG has stopped making ICE BMW will be laughing all the way to the bank.
now if they can just hire someone who can draw cars ... |
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12-24-2023, 10:16 PM | #92 |
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12-25-2023, 12:59 AM | #93 |
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No auto maker should consider ditching internal combustion engines for at least the next decade.
Most people live in apartments and they don’t have the ability to charge their cars. Outside of Tesla charging network, most of the other charging stations are flat out trash and not well maintained. Even auto makers like Volvo are sticking with internal combustion since they won’t sell or able to compete with the likes of Tesla. |
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12-25-2023, 03:07 AM | #94 |
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Hybrids are the smart answer for the foreseeable future if you ask me. Tech is there for 50 mpg high hp 4 and 6 cylinder motors supplemented by e power. Short trips around town? Use your battery power and safe the environment . Charge your car at home each night with minimal inconvenience. Want to take a long uninterrupted trip and not worry about charging stations ? Both power supplies (fuel and electricity) are readily available along the way. And let’s not forget new clean burning fuel technology. This all in right fkn now approach on total EV without thinking it through is government stupidity at its finest.
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12-25-2023, 06:05 AM | #95 | |
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12-25-2023, 07:24 AM | #96 |
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Most people take offense to being forced or coerced into doing something, so the EV mandates (which more than likely they have no authority to do) causes push back.
I personally want nothing to do with EV’s but if that’s someone’s thing more power to them, I think the tax incentives and push by the government should stop. Let the market decide what happens, but to think you’re saving the planet by driving a EV is ridiculous.
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12-25-2023, 07:45 AM | #97 |
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Do you really expect those types to be capable of researching and analyzing ALL the variables? No way in hell, that ain't happenin'.
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12-25-2023, 09:25 AM | #98 |
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ICE lovers are suffering from Stockholm syndrome after reading this thread
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12-25-2023, 10:59 AM | #99 | |
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Now I have 2 EVs. The problem with most of people is they have not tried/live with one. |
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12-25-2023, 11:03 AM | #100 |
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You are correct, it is bad or very bad depending on the source of materials. In the best case scenario, it would take an ICE car 2 years of running on petrol to equal the damage of building the EV battery. Worst case, about 5 years.
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12-25-2023, 11:11 AM | #101 | |
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I am getting an EV as it is a natural progression for me. I drove only manual transmissions for decades. Where was the skill of pressing an accelerator to the floor? Eventually, automatics became so efficient. They were better at shifting and even got better gas mileage. I held out and at least had paddle shifters with no clutch. But, almost every car has an automatic transmission. If all you are doing is mashing the pedal, you might as well have all the torque available at the onset. It doesn’t matter to me what type of engine. The instant torque is intoxicating. |
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12-25-2023, 11:38 AM | #103 |
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BMW may not give up on ICE but as emission regulations continue to toughen up they’d have to downsize while engines continue to become more efficient. V8s might stay but will be available on fewer & fewer models & more I6s might be replaced with hybridized I4s.
Also, we have seen how quickly manufacturers change their stand after making opposite statements… they’ll change based on governmental regulations & market trends.. sustainability & profitability over tradition, emotions & enthusiasm I guess! |
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12-25-2023, 11:42 AM | #104 |
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I don’t need to prove anything.
If calling people who read and understand science ( as simple as ozone layer) crazy makes you feel better, go for it bro, it’s Christmas Day and you deserve to be happy. Apparently We live on 2 different planets, let’s call it here. |
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12-25-2023, 11:52 AM | #105 |
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Don’t even bother. Mental problems… His identity is associated with exhaust gasses at this point.
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12-25-2023, 11:55 AM | #106 | |
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If you don’t ’force down’ seatbelts down their throats, they don’t wear them and just die in a 20 mph crash.
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Small brains weren’t ready for the Internet. Now they’re ruining our world.
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12-25-2023, 12:30 PM | #108 |
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Your online heroes are telling you ‘Merry Christmas’ is offensive for some.
In real life, NOBODY is offended by that. And did you know ‘Holiday’ comes from ‘Holy Day’? Never mind. I live in one of the most educated and progressive towns. (Harvard and MIT are here) and everybody is saying ‘Merry Christmas’ to each other. And no, trans people aren’t attacking kids. And no, we’re not littered by crime. And no, gasoline engine cars aren’t cleaner than EVs. And no, ‘drill baby drill’ isn’t a great energy policy in 2023. Get out of your bubble.
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12-25-2023, 12:50 PM | #109 |
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Honestly sort of pathetic that there’s 6+ pages of a bunch of 30+ year old guys arguing on the internet about a topic they have a superficial understanding of. Some of you guys need to get some IRL friends or hobbies or SOMETHING lmao.
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