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Of course no one has to buy an EV and the tax breaks arent compulsory if you dont want an EV. So not sure rammed is an appropriate word unless you write for the Mail... |
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It's important to note that Lotus Eletre ...
1. Was designed a few years ago but could not be built since both the plant and the EV platform weren't ready 2. The plant which now builds Lotus Eletre is in Wuhan, China; completed in July 2022 3. In 2021, Geely announced a development plan with Alpine as part of a joint venture with Renault–Nissan–Mitsubishi Alliance to develop electric vehicles and the platforms they will sit upon. This strategy builds upon the 800V Electric Premium Architecture (EPA) platform development led by Lotus. EV platforms are expensive to design. Stellantis also invested in its own platform offering both 400V and 800V variants. https://www.stellantis.com/en/news/p...um-of-vehicles With shared EV powertrain platforms, electric vehicle innovation is increasingly focused on exterior and interior. My humble perspective is that offering minimalistic interiors with one tablet to govern all inputs and displays is a race to the bottom. It leads to a single point of failure in the sales strategy: exterior innovation is the last lever to influence consumer buying behavior. But what if every car has the same or similar EV powertrain, with the only option available - 10" or 60" tablet - and exterior from yet-to-be released sequels of Judge Dredd or Tron movies ... who would buy these vehicles at least from this community? |
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I have a friend with a 2018 7 series. He is set to lose around £50k on depreciation in 5 odd years as he needs to replace it. But it's OK, cos it won't cost him a penny, as it is a 'company car', so just writes the losses off. I will put money on him getting something like a brand new i7, or similar at £100k plus! He may even get that Lotus thing, as the company is paying. He does have an M4 as something 'for the weekend' aswell. |
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03-24-2024, 04:08 AM | #54 |
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So the Lotus Electricity is basically a 100k, pig ugly MG built in Wuhan and the only justifiable reason why you would be daft enough to buy one, is a government incentives or tax break?
Thats like the government saying to me, we are now reducing Turkish delight to 10p a bar. |
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I might give the factory a call and ask them if they will sell me a few with a Ferrari badge on for £25k. I would bet they will say yes, cos the Chinese have never really been bothered by 'brands' have they? That's how Sugar made his millions; although it was more Taiwan and Korea in those days. |
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BMW has production factories across the world and there isn't a difference on quality as the quality control processes are consistent. Strange why China isn't mentioned when buying iPhones or Google phones which are made in China. |
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Because it's a £100k Lotus, that's why. Or more accurately, as it turns out, a massively overpriced Chinese MG.
Lotus are as British as fish & chips. They should be made in a shed in Norfolk by five members of the same family and be crap but light and well engineered. Then loved by their fans even though they are crap. As soon as you put China into the equation, it stinks of using the Lotus badge's status for profit. Colin Chapman would be very displeased, of that I am certain. TVR are a good case as reference. Built in Blackpool for decades. They were crap but 'British crap', so got themselves a huge kudos. Then sold out to the Ruskys. All the kudos was gone in a heartbeat and they failed. I fear this is Lotus's TVR moment! |
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And off course this is all for profit in the same way Lamborghini made the Urus. As a business if you can make extra £££, why wouldn't you? |
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How long can the fun last in a 2 tonne car that gets to 60 in 4 seconds but goes down the road like a Narrowboat |
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Yes poor Colin Chapmans legacy really has been flushed down the 'sh1tter'. Lotus' USP has always been lightness, it is, or should say was their Mantra. If Lotus are still going in 5 years time I will be surprised. They have gone in the space of a few years from selling some of the best drivers cars in the world at reasonably sensible prices to an EV turd that will be purchased by people with more money than sense so they can 'show off' on the school run....... how very sad |
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or maybe we should look at something more specialist like Lambo... As has been the case since it arrived in 2018, the Urus SUV was Lamborghini's best-seller last year, accounting for nearly two thirds of output at Sant'Agata, with 6087 units sold globally. You might be interested in lightness and drivng quality to queue round the crowded roads of the south, but it seems most people want something else. That doesnt make you right, by the way... How is the Alpine and the Caterham, got any more pics of them together? |
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03-28-2024, 10:25 AM | #66 | |
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They are just kit cars really, made from the bottom of other car makers parts bin. The fact that these are Chinese and really a badged up MG might mean it will be a more reliable car, but either way its still sh1t! |
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