[Jackbmw]

I wish BMW built the 4 series Gran Touring (Shooting brake). I'd love 4 doors without frames and the lower sitting position in 4 Series GC but I need the luggage as in Touring. Maybe someone at BMW will find this marketing gap one day.

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by lonestar22

should they start producing E30's again? what are you saying? the company is one of the best luxury brands in the world because it remains competitive. if they were still making the cars they did in the 90's theyd be long gone.

Yes, well something the same size that is sport oriented.

I recently had an F20 on loan instead of my E90, and yes it was really comfy and quite sporty, it handled well, but it just felt like a BMW with a duvet around it; didn't quite know what the steering was doing and despite being sharp it's a bit light in your hands. Worse part was it was the 8 speed auto, lowered powered diesel model but was 10mpg less efficient than my E90... So it was less sporty and less efficient!

Back to your jocular point, there will always be a market for a small RWD performance saloon. I hope to God BMW recognises the error of the idea of moving it's future smaller cars FWD and growing all the RWD models - it's the reason we don't buy Audis! On the plus side the residuals of older models will improve if they don't.

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by Jackbmw

I wish BMW built the 4 series Gran Touring (Shooting brake). I'd love 4 doors without frames and the lower sitting position in 4 Series GC but I need the luggage as in Touring. Maybe someone at BMW will find this marketing gap one day.

+1 for definite

Or even a 2 (3) door tourer/shooting brake

I find usually other people have their own transport or if not can cope with moving seats forward to get in. Furniture, large items, pets don't have their own and are always the hardest to move.

[Pure]

It's definitely a new car, you have in your design windows shorter compared with the 3 Series.
It seems that will have a firmer chassis
And I'm sure will be a success in sales.

[flyga3]

Originally Posted by James T. Kirk

I don't see why this iteration was necessary.

Next up... a new 2-door sedan.
.

Exactly.

[advantage20]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

A 5 door? I think that's just the camo playing tricks. I'll be quite shocked if this is a hatchback. Then again there must be a reason they are showing the front end but hiding the rear.

Yes it will very probably have a 4 Series Coupé trunk layout, i.e. not hatchback, unlike the A5 Sportback.
On the other hand, it seems as though the rear door/third side window layout mimicks tha A5 Sportback and 3 GT (instead of the 6 GC), which is disappointing and takes away from the classyness of the car.

[burrito007]

Originally Posted by crex

How is this different than a 3 series?

more expensive...


BMW has to just make up its mind. Who is going to buy the 4 series GC? if you NEED 4 doors you're not going to want the middle seat removed.

CLS, MAYBE the 6 series GC... but who needs anything else? A7 barf.

[sparkyg]

Maybe this hits a market in China.

BMW is a global company so what we see may not be intended for us.

I sure hope so anyhow.....

[dan99]

Too many models!

[lawgone]

Originally Posted by kmarei

You do realize that most people desire coupes because they look good
So this bastard of a design does not appeal to the "coupe" clientele
There is nothing elegant or sporting about this
Practical sure, but if I want practical I'd buy the 3 series station wagon

This shape is basically a compromise on all fronts
It's not as good looking as a coupe
Not as comfortable in the rear as a sedan
Not as practical as the station wagon
In English this is what we call a half ass attempt at creating a new "niche"
A word dear to many a BMW engineer nowadays

I'm still holding out for a 3 series with sliding rear doors
You may call me crazy, but its just a matter of time...

I disagree. I am a single male that has a 2011 e92. I love it but there are occasions where I drive my friends around or even my parents, who aren't getting any younger. I've been thinking about going to the new 335i but lamenting some of the loss in sporty appearance. The 4GC then, could be the best of both worlds. It will all depend on pricing for me. If it is a couple grand more than a regular 4 then that may be too much. $1,000 more than the 4 and I'm sold.

I've only read 5 pages so far but didn't see a release date yet (in U.S.) Hopefully, it's before March as that's when my existing lease is up

[NAV8TT]

Why make a 3 ser almost a size of a 6 ser and may be bigger, I don't understand the size seems to be a bit screwed with these bmws now. It sucks. This car looks like a boat and the wheel base is definitely very small looking. Even the regular 4 ser wheel base looks very small for the size of the car.

[pkimM3r]

I saw a 328i GT the other day in front of me and i thought my eyes were playing tricks on me when i saw from behind. Is it an f30 or an f10. Did someone stretch that? Is it a sedan or a minivan? I was utterly confused.

[bavarian19]

An uglier, more expensive 3 series?


BMW, there is one more market you forgot to hit. Can you PLEASE make a 6x6 twin turbo hybrid with 4 doors, but a coupe profile and a sidecar?

No one makes it, and you will be the only ones in that segment!

[aajami]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

A 5 door? I think that's just the camo playing tricks. I'll be quite shocked if this is a hatchback. Then again there must be a reason they are showing the front end but hiding the rear.

If it's not an actual 5-door like the 3GT, then it certainly has that Sportback silhouette. There's no question that its rear end is a bit chunky, not svelte like the 6-series GC, which is too bad.

[btbossman]

HMMM, so its a 3 series with 4 series M kit...WASTE!!!

[Lorde]

Originally Posted by motorsport_cat

F86 M4 ?!?!

Nope. (Per M division)

[Gzav]

Originally Posted by Snig

+1

Pretty much an LCI 3 series.

I'm ready to put a 435i badge on my wife's 335i F30. Who would know?

Who. Would. Know??

Maybe the guy who would place a M3 badge on his M4 ;-)

[bimmerjph]

The one thing I am worried about for this car is that it won't look different enough from the 3-Series to warrant the additional model. As it is, the 4-Series Coupe has to be right next to a F30 for you to be able to spot the differences in design (other than the roofline and lack of rear doors). I think this will be even more difficult. I think they really should have used a different hood for the 4-Series models. That would have made the differences a lot easier to spot.

[3s-a-charm]

Great car for a Realtor... ;-)

[mammothboarderdc]

Originally Posted by btbossman

HMMM, so its a 3 series with 4 series M kit...WASTE!!!

Hopefully, when the camo comes off, it will look like the 6er grand coupe compared to the 5 series sedan.

[///M3Owner]

BMW might as well just kept the 3 series and not call it the 4..

[GOLFFRR]

nice!