12-03-2012, 01:17 PM | #243 |
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I really wanted to be a fan of this car, but it is horrible....I expected less of a 5GT style and more of a A7 appearance
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12-03-2012, 01:23 PM | #244 |
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Well, they've already come up with an updated version of the 1980 AMC Spirit. I guess now they've come up with a slightly updated 1967 AMC Marlin.
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12-03-2012, 01:31 PM | #245 |
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I still don't understand why BMW keeps bringing really bad designed cars that any ten year old kid can do better in a few hours? What is their strategy for doing this... avoiding too much customer demand?
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12-03-2012, 01:32 PM | #246 |
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I'm not a fan of the GT style, but I think you missed another story in the new color. That is NOT mojave/havanna. It's much too light. Looks like a smokey space gray. This is probably a new color for the launch of the vehicle. And I do like the new color.
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12-03-2012, 02:01 PM | #249 | |
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Seriously, this thread is becoming pretty annoying, looks like a bunch of (mainly American) teenagers just discovered how sex works (I mean the market) and are disappointed about it... Look at how many luxury/sport brands went downhill, BMW CANNOT remain independent if they do not satisfy global demand. And if you want your 3 Series and M3 to remain at the top of the game, then accept the rules of the game*. Or get a radical sports car (if your wallet allows it) with no room inside for your kids or your luggage. PS: I wonder how many of you mind about these 2 coexisting in the same range: * For those who argue that the 3 Series no longer is at the top because the ATS handles better, remember the very first tests of the F30 which unanimously called it the best ever 3 Series, handling awesome and at the same time much more comfortable than the E90. Then the ATS came, which is seemingly tuned sportier. But this is a deliberate choice from BMW, they could have made the F30 stiffer, sharper, but remember the 3 Series is a global car which sells in millions of units and the chassis tune had to find a balance to satisfy enthusiasts as well as everyday drivers. By the way, why didn't those comparos against the ATS (great car too otherwise) stress that the BMW has something called SPORT and SPORT+ modes? Did they even use those modes before saying that the Caddy was handling better?? Last edited by advantage20; 12-03-2012 at 02:16 PM.. |
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12-03-2012, 02:02 PM | #250 |
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Nooooo ..... looks like the bastard child of an Audi A5 and an F30!
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12-03-2012, 02:05 PM | #251 |
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Found almost all the naysayers and whiners on 5GT or 3GT are from North America. But honestly, i say, 5GT ain't no beauty and its ok with Asia (don't consider us the same as China - cos our taste can be much more sophisticated than the fast-emerging country from past communism). And I say, this 3GT looks way better than 5GT except it still looks bubbly. Again, BMW aims at the world. If North Am don't like them (which has been the case and may remain the same with 3GT) but customers elsewhere like them, I support that BMW not to give them a damn. North American cars are almost extinct from most markets except its own soil and sarcastically, in china. Do GM, Ford, chryslers stop producing their cars becos of that? Get a life.
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12-03-2012, 02:11 PM | #252 | |
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In China it's appeal is limited by the fact that the market much preferred traditional 4dr saloons & that it's priced in between a 5er Li & a F01/02. If u can pay that much (RMB1.7m for a 550iGT) u'd rather have sth that starts with a "7". Sales of the F07 is virtually non-existent in most SE Asian markets due to heavy taxation on imports. The only place where it has moderate success is Hong Kong, but then again that's due to it's lower pricing compared to the equvalent F10/11. The F07 itself have a lot of fundamental flaws to the product, not least there are issues with it's packaging (bad boot space when u want respectable rear legroom & vice versa, exterior dimensions too big, car too heavy) & compromised chassis dynamics. It's neither a saloon (styling not graceful enough), nor a touring (badly compromised cargo *******, it's not a SAV (doesn't have the looks nor the drivetrain) & definitely not a MPV (only 5 seats). Yes, we live in a globalised world now & sales growth of luxury cars are much higher in BRIC/emerging markets than the western world, but the tastes & requirements of those markets are not of the niche occupied by GT. In fact if such a niche is so lucrative then why no headlong rush by other premium manufacturers? U did talk abt the Merc R-class, it's a relative success in some markets not because it's a successful niche product, but for those markets luxury SUMPVs are considered as direct competitors to traditional luxury saloons. Then again in those markets it's outsold by it's 2 competitors by a huge margin, & both are Japanese (Toyota Vellfire/Alphard & Nissan Elgrand). In 2011, USA is still the largest market for BMW in sales volume (over 18%), then comes Germany (17%) & China (14%). For 2012 the status quo likely remains as growth of luxury car sales in China slowed dramatically due to clampdown by the PRC govt. BMW has mostly got good track record in entering established market segments, the main exception being the 1er as a lot of their sales are to fleet/rental markets in Europe. The X5 went into the premium SUV segment with great success due to a very good product. On the other hand BMW is not very good at creating new market niches, & that's due entirely to products that are strangely off-song when compared to their more mainstream products, as well as the so-called niche itself being poorly defined with huge overlaps on either side of the market. Ok, the 3er GT is all paid for but resources are still used up during R&D, which I think should be better utilised by spending it on other branches of the F3x line where success is guaranteed if they get the product right. |
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12-03-2012, 02:15 PM | #253 | |
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For other parts of Asia the traditional BMW products still dominates. |
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12-03-2012, 02:21 PM | #255 |
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Global demand is on the 3er & their mainstream lines, the problem is the F07 is not selling like hot cakes in all major markets. The GT will not save BMW if the push comes to the shove.
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12-03-2012, 02:22 PM | #256 | |
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12-03-2012, 02:30 PM | #259 |
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Not really, not the GT. The meat is in the 5er & 3er LI as they want a share in the govt official vehicle procurement list, but earlier in the yr the PRC govt decided to vastly reduce the budget & limit cars from domestic brands only. The market leader in PRC is still Audi as it's entrenched in their consumer's mindset, which is why Buick is such a success there for GM.
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12-03-2012, 02:32 PM | #260 | |
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But for God's sake, make 1 or 2 decent, light weight sports car. Enough with ugly, bloated crossovers, GT cars etc. Is the world coming to an end? Toyabaru is making what BMW should be making!
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I think if they did a MPV with a length of around 4.8m but with good packaging & versatility (plus the core BMW values) then the product will sell for itself over here. |
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12-03-2012, 02:36 PM | #262 | |
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BMW has now built not one, but two cars that combine functionality with the *ss-end of a melted water buffalo. The complaint is not so much BMW trying to fill every single niche on the planet, but doing so without a shred of good taste. If you have to make the car look like this in order for the functionality goals to be achieved, I've got a newsflash for you - YOU'VE MADE A POOR AUTOMOBILE. |
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(From Autoblog) In 2011: First 4 months, BMW only shipped 720 5-Series GT. Let's say that remains constant for the year, in 2011, they would only ship approx. 2,880 5er GT's. In 2010, they shipped a total of 2,848. Those numbers were WAY off what BMW was estimating, between 4,000-8,000 per year. On top of that, customers jumped from the 7-Series to the 5er GT. Not only did they severely miss the estimates with the F07, BMW also lost sales from their flagship 7-Series. From a NA standpoint, you can't twist that into a positive. You take yearly sales of the F07 and compare to one month of sales of a particular line, it's a very small percentage that it represents. Now I'm not angry that BMW is continuing this, profit is profit, but the fact that numbers prove that it's not that big of a success added that there are no models like the 5-Series wagon is what I think is getting people angry. BMW is continuing to experiment with models that have a good chance to fail or disappoint, rather than giving us something would do exceptionally better if not on itself but compared to the GT. |
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12-03-2012, 02:39 PM | #264 | |
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Plus it doesn't contribute much to the bottom line. |
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