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Wht makes a car special is how good it is, not how many ppl has one. In many European markets BMW/MB/Audis are everywhere, but it doesn't mean they're less premium. |
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01-15-2013, 11:18 PM | #244 | |
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If your binning hypothesis was true, then the distribution of the N20's output coming out of the assembly line, which would be roughly bell shaped, would have to have its peak around 210HP, with the sigma of the distribution on the order of 50HP. But that's just crazy. For one thing, then the distribution of the output for 328i would not peak at 240HP, but rather a falling distribution that cuts off abruptly on the lower end. For the 320i, it would cut off on the high end. Alternatively, the peak could be at 240HP, in which case the sigma of the distribution would have to be around 100HP. That's even crazier. It's not inconceivable that they do some testing on the block or whatever other parts, and use the lower quality ones for the 320i, since it would not have to withstand as much stress. But that difference in quality is very unlikely to be the direct cause of the difference in output. It could make a difference in the longevity of the engine when chipped, but that's not the same thing. |
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01-15-2013, 11:29 PM | #246 | |
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I'm sorry buy let me rephrase because i don't want anyone getting the wrong impression about me. I stated that because the 320i is so cheap its battling right at Toyota, Honda, Ford doors and people when they see the price will get it undoubtedly just for the name "BMW" and the passion isn't there. Bragging rights just to say you have a BMW to your buddies in live in Florida and 99% of the time i see (F30) there complete barebones car. The person car is trash dirty, drive like asses and think they own the road. Im not putting anyone down but the 320i will appeal to people that otherwise would never get a BMW. |
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01-15-2013, 11:37 PM | #248 |
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I have a lot of respect for the posters of this forum and iv'e been on here for a while and Iv'e talked to some amazing people.
My previous post on pg.8 was in no wayy to offend anyone or sound like a prick. I just feel bad that BMW would do something like this, I see bunches of people in Miami who drive BMW and cut me off, try to race, act like they know something, but people come out of bushes and buy a BMW just for the name and to brag and drive fast and have no care in the world. This is obviously not the case for a lot of owners who go in for the right reason and have respect for other drivers. BMW's is kinda of like martial arts just because you have a black belt doesn't mean you go fighting everyone for no reason. I can name 6 occasions of bmw drivers cutting me off and trying to race and looking at me with such rudeness |
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01-15-2013, 11:39 PM | #249 |
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I agree too man!! I should have rephrased my first post. A lot of people buy bmw's because of the passion and are not rude drivers. Having a fast car means added responsibility and im saying that a lot of young drivers, people who would buy regular cars, The 320 will appeal to them for the wrong reason and go about speeding and challenging other drivers
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01-16-2013, 03:59 AM | #250 | |
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BMW claims the 20i have 184ps & the 28i have 245ps, those are only factory claims (i.e. minimum baseline) & it's perfectly fine to beat those figures on a regular basis. There are evidence that the 20i have more than 184ps, e.g. Autozeitung tested a 520i & recorded 0-100 time of 7.3s. |
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01-16-2013, 04:18 AM | #251 | |
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I don't think 320i will be immune to immature drivers. But i think you are exaggerating.
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01-16-2013, 05:00 AM | #252 | |
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01-16-2013, 05:04 AM | #253 |
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Sharp pricing in the U.S
In Australia I paid $69k for a 320i with M Sport package, business nav, bixenons, sunroof, extended connectivity and mirrors package.
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01-16-2013, 07:06 AM | #256 |
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Oh and the 320i configurator is online...
This is a great base car, even a great car period. You don't get top-of-the line features (no lines) and it's a 1-sec slower to 60 compared to the 328i... yeah, but you get a very attractive 320i for $38,000 MSRP, whereas the equivalent build on the 328i is $44,000. So we're not talking about $3,000 difference, but $6,000 (in my builds). I bet even some BMW enthusiasts will be sensitive to that. Last edited by Frencholivier; 01-16-2013 at 07:13 AM.. |
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01-16-2013, 07:56 AM | #257 |
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At $46k fully loaded, this thing is going to sell like crazy. If I were BMW though, I'd have bumped this one to 200hp and called it a 325i, the 328i to 275 and called it a 330i and the 335i bumped to 330hp with the badge left alone
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01-16-2013, 08:07 AM | #258 |
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It's $46k loaded, but it's missing a lot options from 328/335 like HUD and Dynamic Handling Package.
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That's not to say it is entirely false. Sporty cars, in general, attract drivers who are more aggressive. It's also true that Miami is especially fully of aggressive drivers. As a business, BMW has an obligation to serve its shareholders. That means selling more cars. That means expanding its line-up. The natural consequence of this is that some brand exclusivity will be sacrificed. I'm not saying this makes me happy (personally, I don't care), but it's inevitable.
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I think this is a great thread and shows the true colors of many. As has been mentioned before, having an inexpensive entry allows BMW the funds to develop and build the wonderful true drivers cars that we all love. Because as much as we want to think they build the cars for us, they are still a business with one thing in mind...to make money.
And another issue that has been mostly grazed over....I wonder if there will be a 320si released to the states? An M3-lite if you will that the E30 318is was to the M3. That would be an awesome addition to the lineup.
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Is it me or the 320i x-Drive with sport pkg dosent include the M-Sport Suspensio.
Only the rear drive the gets it. |
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01-16-2013, 12:29 PM | #263 |
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Porsche got into SUVs and sedans and everyone cried about it, but the profits from those "non-enthusiast" cars let them keep making the cutting edge models like the GT3RS. If you want M cars in the future you have to accept that BMW needs to sell lots of 4 cylinder models to make cash and keep the corporate average fuel economy numbers up.
Plus BMW has sold a 318 and 320 and even a 316 in the past. This is nothing new for them. |
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That is the way it is on the 328 and 335 too.
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