[K-A]

Originally Posted by Kayani_1

I have driven variations of 2011-2012 535i and 550i. I have not driven the 2013 M sport version. So I will try it out next time I am at the dealer.

You are missing out big time brother......now you can have your cake and eat it too

I believe JB4 has a tune for F10 N55 535i that can get you 40-80 extra hp and torque easily. All the while maintaining your gas mileage. In other words it would be a budget 550i M sport for you without gas penalty of a V8 twin turbo.
http://www.burgertuning.com/products.htmlAlso,

I know Cobb offers tune for N55 and so does Procede. I am not so sure about the F10 platform for Cobb.

In past I had JB4 now I have moved to Cobb. I love my car more then ever thanks to a tune. The BMW chassis can handle this much extra power just fine. You do wish for M like LSD. Now that is not even hard to find aftermarket at least for E92 platform.

I will definitely check those tunes out. for $500-1k it sounds very interesting.

Let me know if you try the 2013 M sport F10 (on the standard passive M suspension that comes with it) pref with SAT. Genuinely curious how much more it'll impress you vs the earlier adaptive ones. Again, not gonna be an E90 or 60 but taking into account the F10's newfound merits I think you may find it a lot more acceptable, even as a purist.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Kayani_1

For those that have driven a E9x vs F30 like myself can tell you that it is nothing about insecurity. But rather frustration about diluting the essence of BMW 3 series. The most pure of all BMW series. The F30 is numb like a hookers vagina and their is no denying it.

I will raise your insult and say the F30 drives like an Audi.

Last year we went to try to buy a 328i, and my wife came away unimaginably disappointed. She said it drives like an Audi, and after some 10 years of BMW's she just could not go for the numb overassisted steering feel and mushy suspension. No sale that day...

Yes the drivetrain was pure BMW, a masterpiece IMO but the rest of the car just wasn't up to snuff. Now to a new generation who learned how to drive in their mom's Camrys or Passats or whatever, the new cars may seem like the epitome of luxury and performance.

In reality, they move away from the tried and tested true BMW core values, and that is not a good thing long term. In these days of the global economy, luxury and gizmos are really commodity items when every budget Koren sedan has voice navigation, BT and leather and the new Accord has LED headlights. At best you can claim a 6 months to a year advantage over the competition.

BMW used to trade on handling and feel, which are much much harder to duplicate as history has shown. But as some manufacturers are getting closer to the handling benchmark that the E46/E92 cars established (Cadillac in particular, and Audi getting closer), what has BMW left to distinguish itself from the rest? The stupid idrive? An iPad stuck on top of the dash? The BMW apps?


And to the European poster who made a comment about the E9x M3, what a load of ... The engine choice was made in response to another German manufacturer (Audi) when the old N/A inline 6 proved to be insufficient. Even so, the character of the V8 in the M3 has a lot more in common to a Ferrari engine than any American muscle car. Of course you would have known this if you had ever driven one...


I think that any company who has abandoned their core values and ethos in pursuit of immediate profits, has regretted it over the long term. Let's hope BMW realizes this before it's too late.

[adc]

Originally Posted by K-A

Let me know if you try the 2013 M sport F10 (on the standard passive M suspension that comes with it) pref with SAT. Genuinely curious how much more it'll impress you vs the earlier adaptive ones. Again, not gonna be an E90 or 60 but taking into account the F10's newfound merits I think you may find it a lot more acceptable, even as a purist.

I think it's only fair that you should also head to your dealer and drive some CPO E60 535i, whatever suspension it has on it. Even in stock non-sport version, it has a sublime compromise between ride and handling.

500 lbs less weight has that effect.

[KevRyd]

You may want to investigate how often manufacturers develop new engines. Look at how long Nissan has bee using it's award winning VQ engine. BMW continues to re-define it's engines, N54 to N55, new N20. You may want to look a little deeper before you make such a statement.

Kevin

Originally Posted by kdiggz

I don't know if it's been covered yet, but are we expecting a new engine in these any time soon? The N55 is getting kind of old

[Powaup]

Originally Posted by starkindustries

tired of hearing everyone complain so here is an F32 with color matched air breather (FUNCTIONAL), MPP brake kit, MPP side skirt vinyl, e92 M3 GTS wheels, rear spoiler and lowered

Attachment 876332

Wow! Looks great. Could you make it in alpine white if you get a chance?

[Powaup]

Originally Posted by mestes1999

My biggest question is... why do the x35's still have the same amount of power as they did when they came out back in '07?

SIX years later and still only 300 HP. Let's get with the program BMW.

I sort of agree although it's a great amount of HP and a lot of torque I think we are due for a 10% increase in power

[Nas23]

Perhaps I'm missing it, but it appears in the pictures there is no moonroof. Is this option still present, or has it been taken away? I know on the A5 there is a moon-roof with tilt-only option.

Thank you.

[ede92]

Is this bumper treatment not available in the U.S.?

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by starkindustries

Who are you trying to kid? Yourself? I'm not buying it

I can guarantee if I get the m-sport i will take off those side badges.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by mestes1999

My biggest question is... why do the x35's still have the same amount of power as they did when they came out back in '07?

SIX years later and still only 300 HP. Let's get with the program BMW.

BMW has stated in various ways it is not interested in perpetuating the HP wars

[K-A]

Originally Posted by adc

I think it's only fair that you should also head to your dealer and drive some CPO E60 535i, whatever suspension it has on it. Even in stock non-sport version, it has a sublime compromise between ride and handling.

500 lbs less weight has that effect.

I will note to do that actually. I've driven many E60's but never a 535i with Sport/M Sport.

BTW, I REALLY hope the 4-Series gets different interior materials from the F30, which seems isn't the case. I'm sorry, but I sat in an F30 today and am increasingly turned off by how cheap and kind of childlike the interior is in it. Not only does it have exposed metal in between the door panel and B Pillar trim, which you'd find on an old American Truck or jalopy, but you almost get the impression you have recycle-bin plastics at your fingertips. Not very sophisticated, sporty, or sexy. More "playful" and utilitarian which I think doesn't suit a "4-Series" Coupe.

I even think the new M Sport steering wheel is full of cheap/hard plastics and chintzy click-buttons in sound and feel compared to the previous M Sport wheel, but maybe I'm crazy.

[mxa121]

I think it is quite funny that the AUDI folks like the 4 coupe more than the BMW folks. Tough crowd on bimmerpost.

here is a discussion over on Audi forum.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...better-looking

also, I notice people complaining that "it looks just like the f30 but with two less doors" then I read "my f30 looks so much better, this f32 is hideous!"

[KevRyd]

I have the Msport wheel. The spinning selector is more of a solid plastic but still textured, harder to withstand wear. The plastic frames and buttons are soft feel plastic. The leather is slightly textured . The paddle shifter are smooth with a magnesium/metallic feel. nothing on the wheel is cheap!

Kevin

Originally Posted by K-A

I will note to do that actually. I've driven many E60's but never a 535i with Sport/M Sport.

BTW, I REALLY hope the 4-Series gets different interior materials from the F30, which seems isn't the case. I'm sorry, but I sat in an F30 today and am increasingly turned off by how cheap and kind of childlike the interior is in it. Not only does it have exposed metal in between the door panel and B Pillar trim, which you'd find on an old American Truck or jalopy, but you almost get the impression you have recycle-bin plastics at your fingertips. Not very sophisticated, sporty, or sexy. More "playful" and utilitarian which I think doesn't suit a "4-Series" Coupe.

I even think the new M Sport steering wheel is full of cheap/hard plastics and chintzy click-buttons in sound and feel compared to the previous M Sport wheel, but maybe I'm crazy.

[Kayani_1]

So are you suggesting that we should lower or expectations down to that of a generic brand like Nissan. Even Nissan has GT-R a car that can put most new generations of BMW to shame on track and in outright performance.

Lets call things as they are the N55 might be 4 year old but it is not a huge improvement over N54 which is now 7 yrs old. Both are 300hp/300lb-ft engines both are underrated. In fact in my opinion N54 is the better of the two. That is why BMW chooses to use N54 when it comes down to 1M, 335is, 135is, and Z435is.

So BMW has not done much of anything that awesome when it comes to upping the power in last 7 yrs. You can go out and spend $500-1000 and make your BMW more then what BMW offers from factory now in all new F30 or F32.

Originally Posted by KevRyd

You may want to investigate how often manufacturers develop new engines. Look at how long Nissan has bee using it's award winning VQ engine. BMW continues to re-define it's engines, N54 to N55, new N20. You may want to look a little deeper before you make such a statement.

Kevin

[Kayani_1]

Are you kidding

No they gave us a blah and generic crap of bumper treatment instead of that.

Originally Posted by ede92

Is this bumper treatment not available in the U.S.?

[Kayani_1]

I hear you bro.......I just feel so disappointed in BMW. Why can't they make more awesome cars like 335is, 135is, 1M, and M3 stuff.

When they have full capability of doing that but instead they give us F30.

Originally Posted by adc

I will raise your insult and say the F30 drives like an Audi.

Last year we went to try to buy a 328i, and my wife came away unimaginably disappointed. She said it drives like an Audi, and after some 10 years of BMW's she just could not go for the numb overassisted steering feel and mushy suspension. No sale that day...

Yes the drivetrain was pure BMW, a masterpiece IMO but the rest of the car just wasn't up to snuff. Now to a new generation who learned how to drive in their mom's Camrys or Passats or whatever, the new cars may seem like the epitome of luxury and performance.

In reality, they move away from the tried and tested true BMW core values, and that is not a good thing long term. In these days of the global economy, luxury and gizmos are really commodity items when every budget Koren sedan has voice navigation, BT and leather and the new Accord has LED headlights. At best you can claim a 6 months to a year advantage over the competition.

BMW used to trade on handling and feel, which are much much harder to duplicate as history has shown. But as some manufacturers are getting closer to the handling benchmark that the E46/E92 cars established (Cadillac in particular, and Audi getting closer), what has BMW left to distinguish itself from the rest? The stupid idrive? An iPad stuck on top of the dash? The BMW apps?


And to the European poster who made a comment about the E9x M3, what a load of ... The engine choice was made in response to another German manufacturer (Audi) when the old N/A inline 6 proved to be insufficient. Even so, the character of the V8 in the M3 has a lot more in common to a Ferrari engine than any American muscle car. Of course you would have known this if you had ever driven one...


I think that any company who has abandoned their core values and ethos in pursuit of immediate profits, has regretted it over the long term. Let's hope BMW realizes this before it's too late.

[TSTA]

What I think of the 4 series.
1) Very disappointing........
2) Basically using new name but still a 3 series coupe. Can not really tell the differences. We can clearly see the differences between 5 & 6 series but 2 & 4 series are identical.
3) The M Line looks shit and boring......hopefully when the M4 come out it will looks much more better.
4) Interior exactly the same as 3 series......boring...........
5) With the new name, BMW going to charge more (BMW = Bloody Money Waste)

P.S. hopefully the 2 series won't be disappointing........

[MrBens]

Originally Posted by TSTA

What I think of the 4 series.
1) Very disappointing........
2) Basically using new name but still a 3 series coupe. Can not really tell the differences. We can clearly see the differences between 5 & 6 series but 2 & 4 series are identical.
3) The M Line looks shit and boring......hopefully when the M4 come out it will looks much more better.
4) Interior exactly the same as 3 series......boring...........
5) With the new name, BMW going to charge more (BMW = Bloody Money Waste)

P.S. hopefully the 2 series won't be disappointing........

True, this car looks pretty much like a 3 Series inside and outside, no effort was made to make it really higher end, a "4" rather than a "3". But it also doesn't seem to be really more expensive...

[KevRyd]

So what do you expect BMW to do for the 3 segment, Put the M motor in it? They have an award winning power plant in the N20 and N55, N20 being the newer of the 2 but the N55 with TwinScroll is still a relatively new motor. The car performs at the top of it's class in all power-train spacific criteria. Do you know what refinement it took to get over 300/300 out of an engin? Most makers are still trying to catch-up, most are failing.

Also:

Have you seen the price of gas lately. Alot of 335i owners are opting for the 328, dropping down in power for economy. And you are complaining about what exactly?

Just another E9X driver complaining about the F30, no surprise!

Kevin

Originally Posted by Kayani_1

So are you suggesting that we should lower or expectations down to that of a generic brand like Nissan. Even Nissan has GT-R a car that can put most new generations of BMW to shame on track and in outright performance.

Lets call things as they are the N55 might be 4 year old but it is not a huge improvement over N54 which is now 7 yrs old. Both are 300hp/300lb-ft engines both are underrated. In fact in my opinion N54 is the better of the two. That is why BMW chooses to use N54 when it comes down to 1M, 335is, 135is, and Z435is.

So BMW has not done much of anything that awesome when it comes to upping the power in last 7 yrs. You can go out and spend $500-1000 and make your BMW more then what BMW offers from factory now in all new F30 or F32.

[K-A]

Originally Posted by KevRyd

So what do you expect BMW to do for the 3 segment, Put the M motor in it? They have an award winning power plant in the N20 and N55, N20 being the newer of the 2 but the N55 with TwinScroll is still a relatively new motor. The car performs at the top of it's class in all power-train spacific criteria. Do you know what refinement it took to get over 300/300 out of an engin? Most makers are still trying to catch-up, most are failing.

Also:

Have you seen the price of gas lately. Alot of 335i owners are opting for the 328, dropping down in power for economy. And you are complaining about what exactly?

Kevin

That's a good point. People aren't crazy about "power" so much anymore, like spending time on car fansites would have you believe. There's nobody who's not buying an x35i because there's better performance coming from a similarly price car.

The 300/300 number I always figured enthusiasts laughed at as something like a joke. I've driven MANY 300 HP cars, and most feel sluggish in comparison. Look at the dyno's of this motor, the times, etc. It's not your average 300 motor because it's really not one. I saw a dyno of a 335i N55 that put out 302 Torque AT THE WHEELS! It hit that at an RPM that's practically idle and held it until practically redline (which is a high redline for a Turbo motor, making this quite a multi-dynamic motor). It's almost unreal to consider the ways this motor performs and the efficiency it gets. To top it off, it sounds like no other motor in the world, absolutely sublime at high RPM's, and is smoother than silk. What's not to love? Of course, the way it's so sharply and precisely mated to the ZF 8 Speeds squeezes every ounce out of it.

Yes, they can squeeze more power out of it, market it with more, etc., but again, I think BMW know that they aren't losing sales because of the power level. They would lose more sales over the weight of certain models much more-so, if anything, and even that clearly isn't a case with the F10 breaking all kinds of sales records.

Put it this way, even though the complaints I have with my car are practically non-existant, if I wanted them to change stuff around, the engine output would be amongst the last places I'd divert their attention to.

[mestes1999]

Originally Posted by K-A

The 300/300 number I always figured enthusiasts laughed at as something like a joke. I've driven MANY 300 HP cars, and most feel sluggish in comparison. Look at the dyno's of this motor, the times, etc. It's not your average 300 motor because it's really not one. I saw a dyno of a 335i N55 that put out 302 Torque AT THE WHEELS!

I've heard that these engines are underrated many times as well, but don't you think if they were actually producing more power, BMW would say so, simply from a marketing perspective?

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by mestes1999

I've heard that these engines are underrated many times as well, but don't you think if they were actually producing more power, BMW would say so, simply from a marketing perspective?

My understanding is BMW rates the turbo engines as sort of a worst case scenario of heat soaked/hot day type situations. I find it to be a good thing to get more than stated, vs getting less which ends in dealer buy backs and what not like the '99 Mustang Cobra and RX8 where engines were found to be making less power than claimed.

I could not understand why my N20 with 240/258tq claimed would spin 255's on the 2-3 shift. Sure enough, on the dyno I made 260ftlbs of tq stock lol.