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No G30 M550ix or is it missing because the roll out is officially with the 2018 model?
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Hmmmm...that’s going to be an interesting development to watch. There is a nice difference from the subjective feel aspect with a DCT.
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As far as I know, the car launched back in March as MY2017. In any case, yes, it's not listed because its not upcoming; it has actually already arrived. Ditto that for the M5 (which has not hit the streets just yet, but can be ordered today).
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"Through the greater use of aluminium and high-strength steel, the new platform is claimed to play an integral role in reducing the weight of the new M3 despite an increase in its exterior dimensions."
.....And the M3 continues to balloon in size.
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BMW M today continues to ride on the successes and prestige of its past while offering little to live up to its [once] legendary name. I've always felt like BMW's "is" line (i.e., 335is, 135is, 535is, etc.) would've been more than sufficient in filling in the gap between "normal" BMWs and M-cars. Yes I'm aware there were M535i's during the early days of Motorsport GmbH, but I've always argued that M during that time was testing the market for M-powered saloons during the time because the market hadn't matured, especially with the E12 M535i being the enabler to the E28 M5. But of course, today's BMW is only interested in whoring out the M-badge to give the false impression that something like a 235i is more special than it is. Classic brand dilution. "M" is slowly becoming nothing but a trim level. Even its engines as of late are just more of the same recycled stuff; still powerful yes, but very uninspiring.
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This may a bit premature but we may see: G06 X6 M50i G08 X3 M40i long wheelbase G28 M340i long wheelbase I can understand all the comments about the M brand being diluted but you have to admit, it is good to see BMW doing more to compete with appropriate performance models in each class. I also think that BMW is doing a good job in keeping the hierarchy between ///M and M-Performance models clear. Hopefully BMW M GmbH goes all out on the M models and makes the M8 really shine vs the competition.
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What is there to get excited about if the engine is basically the same for straight generations or ~14 years? Yikes.
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It's just that with the turbo trend, now it's almost as if they just turn up the boost a little bit and improve cooling and then match the HP figures of last year's Comp. model and call it a day. Sorry but that is just lazy engineering. *Before anyone brings up the M88/S38 (which was used for over 2 decades), let me clear the air as to why M GmbH's original "big six" gets a pass. 1) History/Pedigree- A true motorsport engine developed from the M49 of the 3.0 CSL race car, later became the M88 and powered the BMW M1 2) Engineering- This engine defined the path for future Motorsport engines, featuring ITBs, natural aspiration, and an appetite for revs. BMW M continued to refine it with each new generation. Displacements increased from 3.5L to 3.6L and finally to 3.8L, power kept increasing and so did the redlines. 3) Tradition- there was a certain pride factor for BMW M and a cool factor for the customer that these engines were hand built in Germany by BMW Motorsport engineers. 4) Versatility- Pretty much all the M-cars from that era (until the E34) had some M88/S38 in them and for good reason: they made good power and good torque for daily driving but still maintained the "race-car" characteristics of its roots. The E30 M3 didn't share the engine, but shared the cylinder-head minus 2-cylinders. So yeah, I can forgive BMW if they build upon and improve on an exciting and legendary engine, but it's hard to give them a pass on the generic stuff they're pumping out these days.
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It's not clear to me whether BMW intends to expand the M Performance diesel brand to the lower reaches of their lineup. But I agree that *M40d models would be the next logical step if they were to decide to do that. |
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If the gear is shifted manually, it's a manual transmission. Not sure how people have trouble with that concept.
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yeah this DEFINITELY sounds like a company that has " lost it's way"
Since M is no longer special.. you now have new letters to aspire to... if you want " SPECIAL" . look for M CS Do Porschephiles say that GT, GT3.. or perhaps GTS is no longer special because GT4 , RS, or R models are available? I can hear it now.. " GT3 isn't special anymore " ... |
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Why does it matter if it's a DCT or an AT .. both (are automatics and ) are *faster* than a manual.. plus you'll never be embarrassed by missing a shift Quote:
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