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It’s to bad the G87, well and along with all 23 2 series, will have to make the Idrive 8 change. If you could get the 22 2 series Idrive 7 dash in the G87 at least as an option on launch I bet almost 75% of buyers would opt for it. Including me. |
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Gack. One of the reasons (driver-focused technology vs. "me too" trendiness) why I bought a BMW is out the window.
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Fair point. I get it. The only thing I prefer about my F80 CS versus my G80 is the analog gauges (especially the tachometer). However, I do enjoy all the other benefits of a fully digital instrument cluster.
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Personally having buttons is an absolute must. I love having HUD on/off programmed to button 1, iDrive on/off programmed to button 2, and Sport Displays programmed to button 3, with music, stereo EQ, map, psi levels, and other drive settings programmed to the remaining buttons. Getting what you need with ONE PUSH of a button is imperative for me when operating a vehicle. Also, having to keep the screen on just to manage the air isn't ideal since I usually drive with the screen off, but at least "Climate Menu" is always available at the bottom portion of the screen. And thankfully the E brake is button accessible. No buttons or dial for headlights/taillights isn't that big of a deal since it's usually a one-time thing depending on time of day. Overall this doesn't feel like an upgrade at all, rather a downgrade and a hindrance to driving safely. Why can't BMW do this new setup with programmable buttons? Why remove instant accessibility?
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Putting aside the fact that this presenter is a little dorky and was clearly learning his way through the system in real-time (i.e. rather than truly guiding someone on its merits), I'm a little ambivalent here...
Pros: - The increasing number of capabilities/features and customizations in a modern BMW require a software solution; we can't button our way out of this (lest we end up with a Boeing dashboard) - Overall, the interface looks clean/sharp, well-organized, and quick to respond - Climate control is "docked" and always available - Common audio controls (volume, prev/next track) as well as hazard and defrost still have real buttons - Apparently there are some hardware button shortcuts (e.g. the seat comfort), so maybe that's an approach we'll see more of that helps bridge this UX challenge - Although not mentioned in this video, bear in mind that audio inputs will be available as well and (assuming they work reliably) may facilitate a number of hands-free functions - Presumably (hopefully?) ongoing OTA updates will continue to improve the interface and make it more efficient Cons: - I would still prefer to have tactile buttons for at least the primary climate functions (like they did for audio) - Primary driving gauges still look oddly angular and unintuitive. Why not at least offer a digital facsimile of traditional BMW red gauges (circular, clockwise, minimalist)? - I'm guessing that large virtual buttons were chosen to make it easier to read and "click", but this comes at the expense of screen real estate. Even on this girthy screen, having to swipe horizontally to change the passenger climate control settings would be annoying and short-sighted. Hopefully they find a more intuitive layout - The rectangular form factor of the mondo screen(s) may suit the futuristic iX just fine, but I agree it will look odd in M cars. I hope they're considering alternative hardware enclosures, but I'm skeptical...
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No one wants a user experience powered by an automotive SoC that is equivalent to a 10 year old smartphone CPU, runs QNX (poor/limited BSPs, needlessly old user-space software stack), and has a UI designed by Germans. Is that a stereotype? Probably, but I notice that German devs and firms have made great contributions to embedded software, device drivers, and Linux... but almost every GUI I've encountered from a German company is horrific. Maybe it's more an automotive problem, since the Americans and Japanese don't seem to be faring any better. I don't love Apple, but if they made a touch interface for a car (100% of their own design including hardware, not Carplay) you can be sure it would be smooth, stable, and reasonably intuitive. Last edited by chris719; 10-25-2021 at 08:13 PM.. |
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What an abomination! I love the current screen design and iDrive experience in my X7. Such an integral part of the driving experience, and BMW has managed to take such a departure that it feels like some aftermarket hardware/software box fastened to the dash.
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this is absolutely terrible.
I guess i'm glad I bought a car with idrive 7 so I didn't have to deal with this, though this may be my last bmw for a while if this is the direction they are headed. Is it not funny, how to get to have the luxury of tactile feel, a manual transmission and buttons and knobs these days in a RWD car you have to buy.... something like a GR86/brz. All anyone really wants is that with an inline 6 and nicer interior, can't any company build that? |
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And the voice command/personal assistant? I hate that too even if it works 100% reliably! What will happen if your spouse or children or pets are asleep in the car and you can't talk?!!! |
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I agree with your comments above: it has absolutely no pros, does not change the UI/UX to be any better, makes no sense.
What do we get? - Still crappy "1000 apps" menu that makes no sense, even icons look all the same, in my both G11 in 2+ years of ownership I never looked into that menu once, I don't feel and need to. Its a car, not a entertainment or work device. - You can clearly see that the important things are still hidden behind some strange steps in the menus. Also my perspective is that from the day one, I am only using carplay and carplay apps, the apps and functionalities coming from BMW make no sense to me, like the crappy 'experience modes' or whatever its called (I forgot as I looked in that part of iDrive only on the 1st day I got the car). - Cannibalization of features by putting physical switches onto the screen. I am not a fan, but when I saw on the video above that you need to do SO MANY actions just to get to the proper option (i.e. you need to click on climate and THEN YOU NEED TO SCROLL ...) it is plain stupid. Why invent and bring to market something that is not safe (as a driver, I should be focused on the road, not on finding the option to my make ass cool/hot)? - And the most disgusting item on the list is how slow the menus are, you see the laggyness and jerkyness of the animations, if you want your interface to look pro and customer facing, just MAKE IT SMOOTH. I have no idea why BMW still does not get it and do it right. |
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