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You have to take any set of track #'s with a grain of salt, especially when there's such small deltas between many of the #'s.
You can't be upset if a car posts almost as good of a time on track, because the 335i was never built as a track car. It's interesting that even with the 3 #'s that were posted, there was a 3 second delta between the original E92 and the F30, but the 335is was slower? Plus the N55 is tuned to be an engine to live with on a daily basis, not necessarily for high RPM track work (where a V6 mustang engine/transmission is useless in day to day driving). And you should never get caught up in the "This car cost less and is faster" because if that were the case we'd all be driving souped up Subaru's.
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The new C7 will be a cool counter example.
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new mustang boss handed me my ass on a platter on the highway today up to 100..I have a drop-in and JB4 Stg 1. At least he was cool about it..lol.
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Where are you getting your information?
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American cars have possessed excellent competitive performance for years, as well as excellent day-to-day driveability. Unfortunately, many are so biased against domestic manufactures that the facts get in the way. The Mustang's reliability will also easily take on the 335. The oft-repeated description of the 335 as a handling and performance "beast" in this forum always makes me smile. This claim says more about the lack of experience of the writer with performance machinery than it describes the car. The F30 is a great car, but it has a different role to play. |
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Also, 3 seconds is a BIG difference... if the M3 is 3 seconds faster that is meaningful On a track, waiting 3 seconds between cars is significant. But, even then, it is hard to compare as the M3 was tested on a different day, different time and different driver.
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I have a feeling the newer 5.0 would have been even closer to the M3 as it got a bump in power and some other tweaks. The new Camaro SS is about 4 seconds faster than the M3, but it has a better suspension than the Mustang. |
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You're going to compare a 3 liter 300 HP car to a 6.2 liter 426 HP muscle car for gas consumption comparisons? Give me a break. I'll go back to my EPA "SEARCH" of the 4 liter M3 (14/20) vs. the Mustang GT 5 liter (17/26.)
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Let's just say I had no problem having a car that costed DOUBLE to his and he had no problem keeping the car that costed HALF. Different strokes for different folks. Heck, even my Jetta TDI 5MT can take most of those corners at the same speed ... but the FEEL is absolutely and completely different. Some idiots (like myself) are willing to pay for that feel, even if the numbers say it ain't so [/QUOTE] I'm sure I'll get flamed a bit for saying this but I agree. Most folks on the boards are BMW enthusiasts and truly believe that BMWs are the best sports cars on the road and that they just happen to have a good bit of luxury to them as we'll. I didn't buy my f30 because I wanted a super fast sports car, I wanted a luxury car that I could do some spirited driving with, and I am in no way disappointed. It is super quiet, even when going 100 mph on the autobahn, the acceleration at on-ramp speeds (20-80mph) is excellent, and the handling is superb, the HUD and technology is wonderful, and BMW has done it all while still getting 30 mpg. I am positive that BMW could have engineered a much faster car by stripping out a lot of the luxury and not making the sacrifices (turbos have lags and thus some reductions in performance) with the engine but then it wouldn't have been a BMW. Personally I love the car I got, I didn't want a race car, I wanted a driving experience. |
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The 335i is a car that can be tracked. But that isn't its main purpose. If you want a track car there are better machines out there. That's why these comparo tests are kind of pointless! How about putting a DTM BMW out there, a purpose built race car and then the BMW would come out on top. In other words, if track times are all that important, buy a race car Last edited by Agamemnon; 12-31-2012 at 01:01 PM.. Reason: spelling |
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I thought the BMW would be the best blend of performance and handling out the gate, and it came in much cheaper than the American muscle cars I was considering...fear/bad experience of owning Fords in high school, college, and grad school, brought back horrors of the recall/reliability issues I had with American cars (I realize this has changed a bit since the 90s but still). When the F30 EPA numbers were released, I thought this was it!! Alas, I had to spend another $3000 in suspension upgrades to get it where I want in the handling department, and its not as raw as a muscle car, BUT (compared to the boss/camaro/evo)I get: 4 doors Good mpg Much nicer interior Great service Sexy body design Tech/convenience that none of the other cars offered (HUD/CA/heated steering wheel)
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How did a thread about track performance dive off into a conversation about country and fuel economy numbers - lol.
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I must say though that I think if I could do it over again I would have chosen the 328i since I've been seeing everyone's great gas mileage on the MPG tracking thread. That's the most balanced vehicle in my opinion. I'm curious as to how close of a time it would have gotten on that track. |
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LoL, that's my bad. I threw in the MPG stuff. Cuz they weren't comparing similar vehicles. Most of those cars on there were two door high performance coupes and they throw the 335i into the mix since it's been a long time standard. I'll post the rest of the article where they actually review the car...
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Theres a substantial reduction in performance and handling...
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When deciding, I drove the 328i M sport and 335i M sport back to back. I was content with the 328i, but it just didn't have the same sound as the 335i which is why I went with it. I thought in performance terms they were pretty close, ie. 328i with the edge in handling and 335i with edge in the straight line. |
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