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Not impressed with the 0-60 times at all, considering the E9x 335's could achieve that speed half a second faster.
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02-02-2012, 11:46 AM | #24 |
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we all know the actual times are faster ... dont read into this at all. expect the C&D test to prove they are identical to the e90 if not .1 faster due to lighter weight and better gearing
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Wait, isn't the F30 328i supposed to be 88 lbs lighter than the E90 328i? How come the curb weight of an automatic F30 328i is 3461 lbs when the 2011 E90 328i is 3362 lbs? This better be a mistake because I find the E90 to heavy for my liking. I'm getting a manual F30 328i and even that is heavier at 3406 lbs. What gives?
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I just checked BMWUSA.com. It is still staggered 225/255.
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The turning circle got bigger again!? This sucks for us who live near city centres. The E46's was around 34 ft; E90 went up to 36; F30 is now at 37. It's as bad as FWD cars now.
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I noticed that too, and it surprised me much more than the transmission gear ratios being the same. The latter is pretty common for cars with different engines (see E9x 335i and E9x M3 for example), but typically the final drive is used as the equalizer. I guess the N20 and N55 are similar enough in power delivery that they can use the exact same ratios from the engine to the wheels. What's interesting though, is that for the manual transmission, everything is different. Even the transmission itself is totally different between the two (not even the same manufacturer, apparently). Seems a little strange given how similar the respective AT-equipped cars are.
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Biggest difference with the weight is that the 335 falls in a bit more expensive weight class in the Netherlands, as you might know. The difference is about a 100 euro a year in road taxes (wegenbelasting). For people looking to save money in the mileage, they probably also look to this part.
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Its as big as an e39?
WTF? Why? Why does every car from every MFG have to get BIGGER each generation? Please make us a 1er sedan BMW, about the size of my e46 ZHP would be great. Thanks!
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02-02-2012, 06:08 PM | #33 |
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im confused as well...throwing out eruo numers was confiusing...
the only difference i see is 0-60 and 0-62(0-100kmh) which might require an additional shift...
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So we expected the new 328i to be 88lbs lighter, when in fact it is ~40lbs heavier for both manual and automatic. That 120lbs is hard to explain just based on the upsized rims or iDrive hardware. I wonder in what way it is not similarly equipped to an iDrive E90 with 17 inch rims, which likely weighs similar to the base F30, not 88lbs heavier? |
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It's why I was a little skeptical when the claims of a lighter car were made in some of the early press material. I'm sure that they employed plenty of techniques to save weight in everything from the unibody to the suspension to the interior parts and electronics, and this is a commendable effort. It at least means the car is lighter than it otherwise would have been, which is a good thing. But if the end result is that, in the typical factory configuration, the car is heavier than the one it succeeds, then the significance of all the work they did ends up being somewhat diminished in the grand scheme of things. I don't think we are going to see any revolutionary turnaround to vehicle weight until BMW's CFRP process becomes affordable enough to permeate into the bulk of their product range. The good news is that this is rumored to be starting in the next decade or so. Even the next M3 will reportedly make use of carbon fibre throughout the car (i.e. not just the roof). But don't expect another sub 3400 pound 3 Series before the next generation, and maybe not until after that one. |
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I also noticed that the C&D review mentions "surprising amount of tire noise". If you look at new cars that succeeded in weight reduction, you often find that noise insulation has been somewhat reduced. For example you can look at the recent Hyundai models, like the Sonata and the Elentra, both of which are actually lighter than their predecessors, but also somewhat noisier. So it seems possible to me that the F30 may be slightly noisier than the E90. Regarding this "similarly equipped" claim, it seems to me that there is a lot of ambiguity in what counts as an "equipment". I think wheels and tires are certainly equipments, but what about the brakes? Exhaust system? Stereos? Seats? etc etc. They might have more of an engineering definition of the term equipment. |
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Go read the Cadillac message boards regarding the upcoming ATS. They are going to bring the (originally fat) Alpha platform ATS in under 3400 lbs with 50/50 weight distro. Supposedly, Cadillac engineers targetted the E46 as the best example of outstanding handling in 3 series and worked to equal or beat it. Gonna have to wait for the tests to see how this goes, but they deserve credit for sweating the details to get the tonnage off this car to try to make it competitive. |
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Why would i believe cadillacs "claims" Bmw came in over weight, i doubt the cadillac ends up being the same weight they are forecasting
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The 135i/1M is the closest thing we got, but i would like to have something of a 4 door for more nerdiness... look to the touring for ultimate nerd driving machine! the Audi A3 sedan was almost it... and by the look of it, Cadillac is on to something with the ATS ... Instead of inventing new categories of car such as the 3GT etc ... couldn't they have done a Neo-E30 version ?? I have been waiting for it for 10 years already ... it's not that difficult... I will sign right away ... especially with the N20 engine!
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