[MrManor]

As long as nitrous oxide is still available

[SkyJawa]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Not sure what the physical size of country has to with usage, but in terms of population we have a larger population than all those countries barring Germany whose population is 20% larger yet they have nearly 20 times the storage.

Well I was also thinking along the lines they have much more space for storage facilities than we do…

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

That's does seem high. We've a newish build house like yourself, and we are £150 pm for electric and gas over the year.

Thr nee house is oil fired heating… no idea whether that's going to be better or worse!

I did have a £700 debt when they finally read the meter so its not for current consumption. I blame the hot tub to be honest!

[Nibbles]

Originally Posted by SkyJawa

Well I was also thinking along the lines they have much more space for storage facilities than we do…

I think the Rough storage facility that was closed a few years ago (mentioned in the FT article further back in the thread) was actually offshore so I think we could probably do the same again if we can find space between the wind farms.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by CajunBMW

Is that total payment for the year up to Oct? Is that just for natural gas to heat the house, water, cook, etc? Just curious how it compares to our energy usage per month or per year. I realize different areas of the country and world have different climates and thus different needs for heat or ac, but was just curious.

Annual bill gas and electricity.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by SkyJawa

Well I was also thinking along the lines they have much more space for storage facilities than we do…

The Netherlands have 9 times our storage capacity and a 1/6th of our land mass so no that's not the issue.

[JNW1]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

Thr nee house is oil fired heating… no idea whether that's going to be better or worse!

Historically mains gas has always tended to be a fair bit cheaper than either oil or bulk LPG although I guess that could change given all that's happening at the moment!

We have no mains gas in our village and our LPG bill averages around £100/month with electricity about another £70/month on top of that; not an especially big house but detached and with the dormer design not especially well insulated (something I really need to look to rectify!).

[Watsey]

We're currently paying £103/month all-in (£1,236 / year) - semi; 3-storey; 4 double bedrooms. I made sure it was very well insulated when we did 'the big project' ~11 years ago, and it's made a huge difference.

This year, for the first time that I can remember, I let our fixed price energy deal lapse and revert to a variable tariff because the fixed price deal was more considerably expensive.

So that's going to work out well !

We're with Octopus and it has so far chosen not to follow the big players which have pushed their prices right up to the tariff cap almost immediately. I expect that will change when Octopus reviews its tariffs on 14 October (which it has announced as its next review date).

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by JNW1

Historically mains gas has always tended to be a fair bit cheaper than either oil or bulk LPG although I guess that could change given all that's happening at the moment!

We have no mains gas in our village and our LPG bill averages around £100/month with electricity about another £70/month on top of that; not an especially big house but detached and with the dormer design not especially well insulated (something I really need to look to rectify!).

Thanks, useful to know.

Oil fired heating and septic tanks are something we've just had to accept when looking at rural type properties in Scotland.

I probably should investigate some of the alternatives eco options though. It's a forever house so could be worth the investment.

On the plus side I'm looking forward to having soft water again- no more buying mineral water and no more limescale, and much easier car washing.

[AyrshireColin]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

On the plus side I'm looking forward to having soft water again- no more buying mineral water and no more limescale, and much easier car washing.

Spot on.

[KRS_SN]

https://www.ft.com/content/1bca616e-...9-8cd688364d9e

[CajunBMW]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

Gas and Elec. Mine is similar for the year if you take out the catch up element. We rarely have AC but we generally have heating!

Thanks. I guess our prices are similar. We run AC a lot more than heat and thus have higher electric bills especially in the warmer months. Then gas goes up in the cooler months.
Cheers

[CajunBMW]

Originally Posted by Wills2

Annual bill gas and electricity.

Thanks.
Cheers

[JD6]

I have had oil-fired heating since moving up the the Lakes almost 2 decades ago. In general it is cheaper than LPG but more expensive than mains gas.

Currently kerosene is about 50p per litre and a litre contains 10.35kWh of energy, so approx 5p per kWh. Off the top of my head an old oil-fired boiler is something like 90% efficient I believe. A more modern one more like 95%.

I typically burn 5000 litres a year to heat an old stone-walled house of about 340 square metres. I also burn about 5 tonnes of firewood in a woodburning stove, but the efficiency of that is far lower.

I pay around £2,500 for oil, plus £1000 for electricity annually

[NotGotABimmer23]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

I did have a £700 debt when they finally read the meter so its not for current consumption. I blame the hot tub to be honest!

We just got rid of ours, was costing £70 per month in electricity, soon to be well over £100pm with the price hike. Wasn't worth it. Would have been looking at well over £300pm total on G&E.

[Watsey]

Originally Posted by JD6

I have had oil-fired heating since moving up the the Lakes almost 2 decades ago. In general it is cheaper than LPG but more expensive than mains gas.

Currently kerosene is about 50p per litre and a litre contains 10.35kWh of energy, so approx 5p per kWh. Off the top of my head an old oil-fired boiler is something like 90% efficient I believe. A more modern one more like 95%.

I typically burn 5000 litres a year to heat an old stone-walled house of about 340 square metres. I also burn about 5 tonnes of firewood in a woodburning stove, but the efficiency of that is far lower.

I pay around £2,500 for oil, plus £1000 for electricity annually

Wow. That's a lot of pollution (relatively), with loads of fine particulates to boot.

51,750kwh of kerosene, around 5,000kwh of electricity, AND around 20,500kwh from firewood (assuming 4.1kwh/kg or "log wood" at 20% moisture content).

77,250kwh total.

We're 240M2, a family of 4, and typically consume 20,000kwh per annum total. Natural gas and renewable electricity. Only 39% of your energy usage, adjusted for a like for like floor area.

Insulate Britain would have a field day at your place.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by Watsey

Wow. That's a lot of pollution (relatively), with loads of fine particulates to boot.

51,750kwh of kerosene, around 5,000kwh of electricity, AND around 20,500kwh from firewood (assuming 4.1kwh/t for "log wood" at 20% moisture content).

77,250kwh total.

We're 240M2, a family of 4, and typically consume 20,000kwh per annum total. Natural gas and renewable electricity. Only 39% of your energy usage, adjusted for a like for like floor area.

Insulate Britain would have a field day at your place.

I assume you’re in a modern well-insulated house. Mine is about 300 years old so insulation wasn’t high on the building regs at the time!

It’s also grade 2 listed which makes fitting insulation to the solid stone walls trickier, but yes it is a lot of energy. We’re also many miles from the nearest mains gas. There aren’t really many good options at the moment- I have looked at biomass but that’s complicated by the listing too, so I would probably need a 60 metre heat main.

On the plus side I do generate a couple of hundred times the electricity I use, from wind, although not on the same site - actually in Scotland!

[Wills2]

Old places especially those with rubble filled stone walls are very inefficient my barn is only small at 1850 sq ft but costs the same as a large modern 5 bed to run.

[gangzoom]

Originally Posted by Wills2

I'm paying £2400 as of Oct 1st for both on the standard variable price cap which could go towards £3000 come April next year, I'm convinced I'm heating the entire street.

That's what over £200/month average for gas/electricity!!!

What are running in the house to use so much energy? Our latest bill was £80 and that includes charging the EV to do 800 miles or so. Over the year we average around £130/month (including EV charging), and still I seem to be credit to our energy supplier??!!

We don't even live that a modern house, 5 bedroom detached bungalow with leaky windows. Mains gas heating + cooker. From around November the gas bill goes up, and peaks at around 5000kWh usage in Jan, but for the rest of the year the standing charge makes up a decent amount of the gas bill.

Jan 2021 we paid £160 for gas at 2.6p per kWh, if prices go up to/stay at 6p per kWh that would be £300+!! Time to get out the jumpers



Even our very small 4KW solar PV setup does seem to make a noticeable difference to electricity consumption though. Over the year the data suggests they generate enough electricity to cover nearly 50% of total household electricity usage. If we didn't run an EV I suspect the solar PVs would actually cover 90% of our electricity usage. I am tempted to double the installation size and also increase the battery storage to 20kWh+ but it all comes down to ££££. Though install costs are falling.

[MashinBenzin]

Similar to Wills2, we pay around £200p/m. 2001 house.

[gangzoom]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

Similar to Wills2, we pay around £200p/m. 2001 house.

How much of that is gas versus electricity? Without EV usage our electricity usage is around 10-15kWh a day. This was last Sunday, with oven been on at lunchtime and than general usage. It takes ALOT of effort to get our none EV electricity consumption over 20kWh for any single day.

Gas is sadly a different issue at winter, as you simply need it depending on external temperature rather than usage.

If you are already paying £200/month thats going to jump quite a lot when the current prices hit, and if you than add in EV charging ontop you might be seeing £400/month bills which becomes not insignificant!

Am prepared to see our bills go from £120/month to £200/month including car charging for 800-1000 miles, more than that and am going to be spending time watching Netflix at the local Tesla Superchargers.

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by gangzoom

How much of that is gas versus electricity? Without EV usage our electricity usage is around 10-15kWh a day. This was last Sunday, with oven been on at lunchtime and than general usage. It takes ALOT of effort to get our none EV electricity consumption over 20kWh for any single day.

Gas is sadly a different issue at winter, as you simply need it depending on external temperature rather than usage.

If you are already paying £200/month thats going to jump quite a lot when the current prices hit, and if you than add in EV charging ontop you might be seeing £400/month bills which becomes not insignificant!

Am prepared to see our bills go from £120/month to £200/month including car charging for 800-1000 miles, more than that and am going to be spending time watching Netflix at the local Tesla Superchargers.

Around 300kwh per month of electricity so ballpark 20kwh per day.

Full time wfh, so probably up a little on what it used to be. With my wife a full time mum, the house is basically never empty apart from weekends.

Don't talk to me about the gas bill

There's some sort of solar bulk buy going on via our local council, so have put my name in for that. Tempted to finally bite the bullet on solar.