[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Just like with HAM's cheating DRS wing ,it just began with just 'one picture at GPblog ...
I'm pretty sure , GPblog completely nailed it there !

Not illegal until it fails FIA testing... Just more operating in grey area.

Otherwise Max had a cheating flexi wing all early season.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

Again trying to gaslight the w12's pu to make max seem like a super human driver. By your logic max was only good this year because the rb16b started off leagues ahead of everything else. So to beat Lewis you need to FIA to knee cap Mercedes, and redbull to make the fastest car on the field.

You should pull the pin of your Rocketship grenade and then come back to spread more BS .

But I didn't said anything . It was actually the Wolf with his threatening statement towards MAX and Red Bull .

I heard his statement was just on the edge of the human common sense ...

Personal I see it like weeds can't grow without the seed .

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

Not illegal until it fails FIA testing... Just more operating in grey area.

Otherwise Max had a cheating flexi wing all early season.

Red Bull has already a copy ready from HAM's Cheating DRS wing .
If HAM's cheating DRS wing is legal for the new FIA load test ...
MAX and Checo will run it as well in Saudi Arabia .

BTW : Your statements are much darker than grey ..

[Steeler]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Your statements are much darker than grey ..

Speaking of dark, Karen should take off her shades and see if she can come up with something a bit more damning.
Her efforts stink of desperation.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Red Bull has already a copy ready from HAM's Cheating DRS wing .
If HAM's cheating DRS wing is legal for the new FIA load test ...
MAX and Checo will run it as well in Saudi Arabia .

BTW : Your statements are much darker than grey ..

I don't think you understand what grey area is.

But yes if it's legal, then RB should copy it. If not then RB wasted money and development hours on developing a copy. They should have just adopted said wing from the start.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

You should pull the pin of your Rocketship grenade and then come back to spread more BS .

But I didn't said anything . It was actually the Wolf with his threatening statement towards MAX and Red Bull .

I heard his statement was just on the edge of the human common sense ...

Personal I see it like weeds can't grow without the seed .

If you said the only way to beta max is Lewis getting a rocket engine. Then the same logic applies to max, the only way max could beat Lewis is for the FIA to handicap Mercedes and for redbull to build a dominant car.

Because if max was so good then why couldn't he beat Lewis last year? Right because the w11 was too fast. So max is winning right now not because he's a super human driver it's because he finally got the best car this year.


This is the flaw with it's all the car logic... In reality a fast driver cannot win with a crap car, so it takes both to win.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

I think the only way RB has a chance now, if all things are clean going down the last 2 races, is to take a grid penalty on max and give him a new ICE and run that thing full beans. But I really don't know if the honda pu is capable of out putting what the mercede's pu does on full space ship mode.

Once again : Negative .

The HONDA-RA621H Isn't prone for HP loss like the Mercedes PU .
The Mercedes has huge HP loss and very quickly , because it is pushed beyond the limits .

That's why Mercedes has to swap PU's like I change my underwear .
Of course It's really required to swap HAM's Rocket Grenade again to beat MAX .

If Mercedes wins the 2021 WDC . It was with the "MERCEDES ROCKET GRENADE" !

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Once again : Negative .

The HONDA-RA621H Isn't prone for HP loss like the Mercedes PU .
The Mercedes has huge HP loss and very quickly , because it is pushed beyond the limits .

That's why Mercedes has to swap PU's like I change my underwear .
Of course It's really required to swap HAM's Rocket Grenade again to beat MAX .

If Mercedes wins the 2021 WDC . It was with the "MERCEDES ROCKET GRENADE" !

Agreed, the Honda pu doesn't degrade as badly as the Merc pu. However if RB wants to find more power aka run the engine harder in order to catch Merc they'll need to do it with a fresh engine otherwise the risk of a failure is greater.

Sure the engine deg is lower with Honda, but every engine gets more fragile as age increases, so it's never wise to push an old motor even harder. So if RB needs power they'll have to get a new pu.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by dbarton62

Speaking of dark, Karen should take off her shades and see if she can come up with something a bit more damning.
Her efforts stink of desperation.

Mate .The hate is really strong with you !

I really wonder how much your hate would grow if MAX pulls the '21 WDC...

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

Agreed, the Honda pu doesn't degrade as badly as the Merc pu. However if RB wants to find more power aka run the engine harder in order to catch Merc they'll need to do it with a fresh engine otherwise the risk of a failure is greater.

Sure the engine deg is lower with Honda, but every engine gets more fragile as age increases, so it's never wise to push an old motor even harder. So if RB needs power they'll have to get a new pu.

Mercedes pulled "Everything" already out .
"Everything" from HONDA is just on the table.

Let us not forget ..It's a month to go .

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Mercedes pulled "Everything" already out .
"Everything" from HONDA is just on the table.

Let us not forget ..It's a month to go .

And if Honda wants to get that extra bit of power they would have introduce a new pu, if they don't max risks a DNF if his motor blows. It's common knowledge F1 engines don't last that long, and as they age their reliability decreases hence why each team gets 3 engines per year. Adding power to an old engine only speeds up its degradation and decreases reliability (which is already pretty low on an old engine).

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by minn19

And FIA had to basically outlaw the W11 so Max even had a chance.

How many times I've already said that the Mercedes PU has a decade of advantage .

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

And if Honda wants to get that extra bit of power they would have introduce a new pu, if they don't max risks a DNF if his motor blows. It's common knowledge F1 engines don't last that long, and as they age their reliability decreases hence why each team gets 3 engines per year. Adding power to an old engine only speeds up its degradation and decreases reliability (which is already pretty low on an old engine).

From what I see : Regarding HAM's PU .

HAM'' Turkish PU => 5000 km (avarage HP loss is 1.5%/1000/km)
HAM's Brazilian Rocket PU => 2500 km (HP loss is unknown ,bigger risk to blow)

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

From what I see : Regarding HAM's PU .

HAM'' Turkish PU => 5000 km (avarage HP loss is 1.5%/1000/km)
HAM's Brazilian Rocket PU => 2500 km (HP loss is unknown ,bigger risk to blow)

The Brazil pu will be fine, the Mercedes engineers used Bottas as a test to see what the pu can take running full beans. Mercedes is extremely good at calculating and planning so Lewis will be fine.

[rcracin]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

How many times I've already said that the Mercedes PU has a decade of advantage .

Your point being?

All winners have an advantage.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

From what I see : Regarding HAM's PU .

HAM'' Turkish PU => 5000 km (avarage HP loss is 1.5%/1000/km)
HAM's Brazilian Rocket PU => 2500 km (HP loss is unknown ,bigger risk to blow)

Also how are you even able to calculate hp loss figures? Mercedes has never published a single figure on power output.


Looking at percentage delta to the rest of the field it shows redbull dropping off in terms of performance, and at a faster rate than Mercedes. So idk I think redbull may be running Max's pu on its last legs.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

How many times I've already said that the Mercedes PU has a decade of advantage .

Maybe RB should become a real top team and develop their own engine. Instead of going from a couple of different manufacturers and blaming them for performance shortfalls. Otherwise this is just more

[F87source]

Originally Posted by minn19

Maybe RB should become a real top team and develop their own engine. Instead of going from a couple of different manufacturers and blaming them for performance shortfalls. Otherwise this is just more

RB will be developing their own engines and I am very excited to see what they do.


But like I said before redbull has been stagnant ever since 2013 (their last really cool break through was the exhaust blown diffuser stuff) in regards to massive game changing engineering developments, ever since then they have only been improving their car slowly but surely and nothing more. But they have not been like mercedes who constantly introduce ground breaking innovations. Like tbh I think the coolest thing to come from newey so far is the aston martin valkyre with the venturi tunnels under the car and f1 inspired suspension.


Literally if the regulations didn't hold back merecedes we would likely have seen lap records that would be near impossible to ever break again with the new aero concept cars.

Hopefully redbull can start to make cool things again next year, I do enjoy seeing engineering in action.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by F87source

RB will be developing their own engines and I am very excited to see what they do.


But like I said before redbull has been stagnant ever since 2013 (their last really cool break through was the exhaust blown diffuser stuff) in regards to massive game changing engineering developments, ever since then they have only been improving their car slowly but surely and nothing more. But they have not been like mercedes who constantly introduce ground breaking innovations. Like tbh I think the coolest thing to come from newey so far is the aston martin valkyre with the venturi tunnels under the car and f1 inspired suspension.


Literally if the regulations didn't hold back merecedes we would likely have seen lap records that would be near impossible to ever break again with the new aero concept cars.

Hopefully redbull can start to make cool things again next year, I do enjoy seeing engineering in action.

What are they doing with all that money then? Helping cover development cost for Renault and now Honda’s PUs? Don’t they spend in the simile neighborhood as MB?

I’m fuzzy on that, are they developing their own or buying Honda’s PU essentially and using that as their engine going forward?

[F87source]

Originally Posted by minn19

What are they doing with all that money then? Helping cover development cost for Renault and now Honda’s PUs? Don’t they spend in the simile neighborhood as MB?

I’m fuzzy on that, are they developing their own or buying Honda’s PU essentially and using that as their engine going forward?

I have no idea what they do with that money, but yes they spend dang near as much as merc. It is merc, ferrari, and redbull who are the big money burning pits in f1. IIRC mercedes was reported to spend half a billion usd per year on f1. I can't believe diamler fronted all that cost by themselves for so long, now it is a bit less since they sold 1/3 of their stake to ineos, and the budget cap is 1/4 of what they used to spend.


So RB bought all of Honda's technology to their f1 pu, they will be designing and engineering their own engines in the years to come (post engine freeze). However for 2022-2025 or 2026 there is an engine freeze in place to help redbull prepare to make their own engines. This means the engines introduced next year will be the engines that are locked in for the next couple years - zero development or spec changes. So every team has one last chance to make a big push and then thats it. I believe honda will be helping redbull for the last time during the push for 2022 and then they are gone.

[Bubbles]

For the good of the sport, TPs need set a better example otherwise this will become housewives of F1.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by F87source

The Brazil pu will be fine, the Mercedes engineers used Bottas as a test to see what the pu can take running full beans. Mercedes is extremely good at calculating and planning so Lewis will be fine.

Bottas PU experienced overheating and gearbox issues at Qatar. I believe that was the third race on that PU, so Merc may not get two races out of the rocket PU.