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- Alfa's corporate parenting, which is a large part of why the company's lacked product focus over the years beyond the 'great sportiness and design for the masses' aesthetic. Too often it's tried to make something that it has no brand investment in. - The fact that Alfa's development of the Stelvio has one end game: the U.S. market. - For Alfa, the U.S. market is the antithesis of what it is for both Porsche and BMW: markets that have been successes to the point of dictating both's product lines at times, for good and for bad. All Alfa wants is a piece of what it's never been able to get, and there's only one reason for that: Fiat Chrysler, a merging of two of auto-dom's most unpredictable brands. As good as the Giulia Q seems to be, I'm not giving Alfa a chance in hell of making inroads in this market because of how good FCA is at screwing with a product line.
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To me, that is all sportscars but here we even call a miata a small sportscar. You know what we dont call a sportscar? a big ass SUV, thats for sure. Sorry to say, but your argument here is classic potato patato. Quote:
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Also we get from both BMW and Porsche more models or engines than you get in the US. Its not the other way around. So when did the US dictate the product lines of BMW and Porsche exactly? Quote:
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I mean European are known to gouge you with options but Porsche is way worse than BMW. lol
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If Porsche priced their options reasonably it would only make them more ubiquitous. And at the risk of sounding conceited, I don't want to be driving what everyone and their neighbor drives. |
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But in the same breath, in our day and age I think paying for Navigation is very dumb. yes we have our phones and so long as you have BluTooth connection, you don't need the car to have Navigation really but it is the principal of the matter. I keep trying to configure a Macan S reasonably but it keeps going up to 64k at least and I cannot trim that any further. A Macan S is 54k base, but that is w/o the fee which is 1k as it is. Then there is the colors, which if you don't choose White or Black, it adds another $600 plus. So just by picking a color you are already sitting at 56k w/o any options. Now, you get rid of the black trim on the doors, along with Porsche Connect you are sitting at 59k just with basic things. Without Navigation. I mean, I thought BMW was bad but Porsche lol good lord. Edit: Also, Porsche doesn't have HUD! (I think)
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Porsche's base configurations are a joke and the options are spendy but if you can stomach it the vehicles are second to none. You can get a decently equipped Macan S in the mid $60k range and a Macan Turbo in the $80k ballpark. Expensive but a lot cheaper than the less fun Cayenne.
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Unfortunately the Macan can't tow. So I ended up with a cayenne.
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I have changed my car buying. I drive a pickup for a DD and a heavier duty vehicle for towing and hauling and my better half drives a Macan Turbo. I love my pick up(can't wait until next week for my Raptor) but love the rare chance to drive her vehicle. If I were in the market for a sedan or wagon I would opt for a Macan over either.
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My wife DDs the cayenne. Although I have a tune and cat deletes for when I drive it. Most fun you can have in a near 5k pound car.
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Although I would say having that large ass cargo space is handy from time to time. I would agree with the options part. I cannot configure one to how I like it because everything costs something. Unlike a BMW I can get away completely with a base car, I don't think I can with a Porsche. Again though, Blutooth is standard so I can ignore the Apple Car Play and no Navigation because I just use my phone and through Blutooth connect everything is fine. But everything else? Getting rid of that black thing on the doors? Really?! Not to mention I think adding in the Sport/Sport + option actually also costs you. >.>
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Cayenne is a better option, but I know someone that tows a race car with a Macan.
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The rear brakes are tiny and the pdk longevity is an unknown factor Not saying it can't be done, but rather safer than sorry.
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I do not see myself in a pick-up or American car like Mustang/Charger/Challenger. Most everyone who knows me in person agree with that. :P
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After years of being a German car only guy I have purchased pickups and GTRs and have enjoyed broadening my tastes. I would love to get a GT350R.
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I think Arcades needs to sell his M, get a Mustang GT350R and a Ford F150. 991GT3 Life is different in LA than North Dakota. Materialism is one of the shots that are given along with vaccinations. There are a lot of cars I cannot imagine myself driving because it is not me. It does look like a 991 GT3 and Ford Raptor are great cars though. I would be pretty much done with car buying. |
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Phoney people are phoney people regardless of location. I don't understand the aversion to trying something different or better. A GT350R would beat up on any BMW. |
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The Macan S is a vastly superior driving machine compared to the X3 (and pretty much all other SUVs of that class). It's a no brainer really choosing between the two. Driving them back to back makes the X3 (35 msport) feels like junk.
I also enjoy the Macan's interior much more (maybe due to fatigue of BMW interior given I ve seen it for so long). Many buttons feel great to me. I actually don't like the touch console of the new Pan. Last edited by zer0cool; 01-03-2017 at 01:03 PM.. |
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Indeed, its in a different league to the X3 entirely in terms of driving dynamics.
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