[visualguy]

Originally Posted by georgere

sounds like definition of enthusiast's car, no?

Yes, but for that you need to go with a BMW M, Audi RS, Porsche, etc.

[Fedorov]

Maybe it's all psychology but in my mind the current M3 looks much better than the upcoming M4 even though M4 will certainly perform better number wise. I'm a little bit disappointed that the 4-series didn't come out as aggressive as in the early pics/concepts but most often they never do.. :/ My dream is that current M3:s drop so much in prices when the M4 is out that I can afford to buy one...

Still love my 335 though, my common sense says it's a better car for me than the M3.. But M3 V8 sounds awesome

[georgere]

Originally Posted by visualguy

Yes, but for that you need to go with a BMW M, Audi RS, Porsche, etc.

I agree but I believe regular 3 series has been the car of choice for a track by "not that $ucce$$ful" enthusiasts... perhaps not lately or not anymore starting with F3x

[Quasimodem]

Originally Posted by Technic

That's intentional.

It's marketing. Not to mention that it obviates any need for non-cosmetic upgrades on the LCI model.

[24601]

Originally Posted by georgere

I agree but I believe regular 3 series has been the car of choice for a track by "not that $ucce$$ful" enthusiasts... perhaps not lately or not anymore starting with F3x

LMAO!

Far from it. Esp. in E9X form.

The M3 is the everyday driving supercar for both the successful and unsuccesful-(trust fund babies.)

[24601]

Originally Posted by BDWonder

Has anyone actually noticed how unenthusiastic he was reviewing the car. It was as if he didn’t want to say anything too negative because BMW invited him for a test drive. He almost seems to hint that this car is ordinary, and not that exciting. He seems, honestly, by looking at his face and tone of voice, disappointed. Look at his previous review of other BMWs, Audis, and etc, there’s far more sensation from him. I hope I’m wrong, and that the car is as every bit good as the predecessor. He is an excellent reviewer though.

Good point.

He is great and has always been entertaining... but maybe the 4 is just "blah" to him.

[24601]

Originally Posted by B1N

man all you guys who just recently bought a m3 are gonna be kicking yourselves when the new m4 comes out...

LMFAO!!!

Are you serious!?! You can't be serious.

That's just wrong on so many levels.

Everyone who bought an M3, bought an M3 because they did NOT want the "M4."

Those who got their M3 recently are very blessed since so many people were scrambling for allocations.

[Technic]

Originally Posted by BDWonder

Has anyone actually noticed how unenthusiastic he was reviewing the car. It was as if he didn’t want to say anything too negative because BMW invited him for a test drive. He almost seems to hint that this car is ordinary, and not that exciting. He seems, honestly, by looking at his face and tone of voice, disappointed. Look at his previous review of other BMWs, Audis, and etc, there’s far more sensation from him. I hope I’m wrong, and that the car is as every bit good as the predecessor. He is an excellent reviewer though.

To me, he's trying a very political way of saying that this "4-Series" effort is simply not supported with anything of real upscale/special/different in this 3-Series Coupe.

And I agree.

Rumor said that the E92 was supposed to be the new 4-Series back in 2007 and somehow it got dismissed at the corporate level. I would say that it would have been a much better 4-Series back in 2007 than this F32 4-Series is now. This F32 is closer to the F30 (exterior and interior) than the E92 is to the E90, IMO.

BMW should have given this 4-Series more potent engines at least (a 430i and a 440i would have been better introductions) so there would have been a more defined and definite difference between this and the F30. Not that this 4-Series is bad in any form or function, but this new nomenclature is missing that special "thing". It is just not there.

You know, something more like a 4 than a 3 and a half...

[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by visualguy

Agreed - he didn't like it, but I get the impression that he just likes cars which offer more drama or excitement - some strong aspect that really grabs you... Not what this car was designed for.

He seemed pretty enthusiastic reviewing the 335i f30?


[u2b]http://youtu.be/HLZA83XfIyI[/u2b]

[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

Looks like reviewers like the 4 series. But the thing is, everybody in America will buy this with XDrive, so most things they say here don't really make much sense. With XDrive everything is a little bit worst.

That's because you live in the North East ...

Originally Posted by F32

Nonsense. It's beyond me any anyone will buy an AWD version of a car if a RWD model is available.

... and you live California.

[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Watching the latest reviews, seems like the reviewers get a vanilla feeling.

They left a lot on the table for the M4.

Abso-frickin-lutely. BMW better bring it with the M line up. They have already set the bar pretty dam low with the f3x cars, allowing themselves more than enough space to fill with the M cars.

[Falafel Combo]

Originally Posted by F32

You guys do know that he's reviewing a 4-Series, right? For all intents and purposes...a 3-Series. Some of you act like this is a car which should get your blood boiling every time you drive it.

Yes, I believe that most people on this forum recognize that it is a 3 series (and still maintained hope that it would out perform the very tame and blah f30). That is why we expected so much. E92's have never looked so good.

[kdiggz]

Originally Posted by bmwcsl85

Annoying he says it's a single turbo? It clearly isn't and even says on the engine cover!

Lol uhhh

[bimmer]

nothing really special. disappointing BMW. no buy for me. lets hope for M3/4

[FogCityM3]

While it's an overall thumbs-up review, when using descriptions like "sporting pretensions", "not that exciting" "still a great engine as it always has been" and "will never see the track" doesn't really say this car is a big leap forward and these descriptions are different from the N/A inline 6 reviews of years past. Seems like Lago and Harris kind of feel the same way about the car.

[Alpine F31]

Originally Posted by Ezio

Honesty i thought about what you just said. I got a M3 this year because i love the S65 V8 and wanted one since 2009......So no i will not be kicking my self anytime soon.

When you own a car as sick as yours, "kicking yourself" is never an option.

[B1N]

Originally Posted by MY13E92M3

LMFAO!!!

Are you serious!?! You can't be serious.

That's just wrong on so many levels.

Everyone who bought an M3, bought an M3 because they did NOT want the "M4."

Those who got their M3 recently are very blessed since so many people were scrambling for allocations.

the m4 isn't even out yet though?

It's going to look and perform better than the current m3, and that isn't even subjective...

[Fraggy]

Originally Posted by Technic

That's intentional.

I was thinking the same thing. BMWs used to just ALWAYS look great, no matter the trim.

[tony20009]

Well, it's nice that one reviewer has nice things to say about the car. Even so, if Carlos is to be believed, the transition from sport coupe to luxury coupe with sporty feel has happened. That is, if also this car can be seen as a luxury car. Leaving that debate aside, however, the car is probably going to appeal just fine to most of the public, but judging, again by the reviewer's comments, it probably isn't what true sport coupe fans would have liked to see in a 3/4 series coupe.

For myself, I think I could be quite satisfied with the car, particularly as a DD, but I'm not chomping at the bit to get one. I'll wait to see what the 2er brings to the table. In the meantime, I'll just continue to enjoy my E92 with which I am very happy.

[Dackelone]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

He made a little gaffe. Unless BMW has made a change to Sport and Sport +, which I'm certain they have not, there is no difference in the steering and chassis response between the two. The only difference is Sport + engages Dynamic Traction Control and disables full-on traction control.

^^+1. That is my understanding too. That is what BMW told me at this press event in Lisbon - there are only TWO steering modes one in comfort(and Eco and Eco+) and one in Sport(or S+).


Dackel

[bastiN54]

The M4 will be a very good car but that doesn't make the e92 M3 bad.
If i had to decide i would buy the e92 (S65 unique V8 yay).

i will keep my 335i (e92) for a couple of years. i just don't see me buying another 335i/435i with 306hp and nearly the same engine. Ok, it is lighter and the new 8 Speed is fantastic but i just don't need it to go 250km/h on the Autobahn.

[Yay-Z]

Originally Posted by BDWonder

Has anyone actually noticed how unenthusiastic he was reviewing the car. It was as if he didn’t want to say anything too negative because BMW invited him for a test drive. He almost seems to hint that this car is ordinary, and not that exciting. He seems, honestly, by looking at his face and tone of voice, disappointed. Look at his previous review of other BMWs, Audis, and etc, there’s far more sensation from him. I hope I’m wrong, and that the car is as every bit good as the predecessor. He is an excellent reviewer though.

very true