01-31-2020, 10:26 AM | #837 | |
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I'm using the ring for my basis: Camaro I concur is a good value, I saw a video by motor trend I think comparing both. Supra, M4 and M2 comp all same track times. Mustang you listed are more expensive Porshe 911 way more expensive Tesla 3 terrible winter DD. |
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01-31-2020, 10:45 AM | #838 | |
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Only, and only the last line makes sense but in another category. Mustang, Supra, must be a joke to consider a "MUCH" better track car. In fact, it is not even slightly better... |
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01-31-2020, 03:05 PM | #839 | |
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The Camaro does come close though and gets props for being the only one that's significantly less expensive. Can you imagine using a Tesla as a track car? The entire way there you'd be thinking "every mile I drive on the way to the track makes my car slightly slower." |
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01-31-2020, 03:41 PM | #840 |
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Last night I saw 2 series with vanity plate "M2Lite".
To me driving an M is appreciating the fact that the M is not just another BMW, its different. It has gone through a bit more finesse in its design and planning, something more than just getting you from A to B. It has small subtleties of options "included" that a regular spec series does not. It has some options that the regular series does not. Owning an M is more about the driver, than the car. The guy who appreciates those differences is what makes an M an M car. So to the guy who bought the whatever series M240 and thinks its an "M2Lite" - I say you don't understand the concept of M and I'm happy you bought your diet version. |
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01-31-2020, 06:03 PM | #841 | |
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I understand your argument here.
The guy or girl who owns that M240 is just proud of ownership. What I don't like are the people who put an M badge on. Unless the factory slapped that M badge on, you don't have the right to stick one on. Quote:
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01-31-2020, 06:37 PM | #842 |
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Maybe at the drag strip or auto-x, but not on the circuit. It's not practical. The car starts to experience performance loss after just 4-5 laps. I'm just getting warmed up at that point.
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01-31-2020, 06:59 PM | #843 |
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Is M just a badge?
M is special to me because it is more focused on what I am interested in a car. It has purpose, legacy, integrity. You knew what you were getting. However, what I want is the car wearing the badge, not the badge itself. What I want is an M3/4. Putting an M in front of a 340i alone doesn't change the car. Inversely, omitting the badge doesn't downgrade the car. In other words–"M" is more than the badge, but it's also just an "M" badge. If we are hinging the worthiness of a car on just the badge, then perhaps we've missed the point.
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01-31-2020, 10:39 PM | #844 | |
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A Tesla Model 3 Performance with track mode enabled and some suspension mods won Global Time Attack at Buttonwillow in its class. For a 4,000lbs car, it is shockingly (no pun intended) competent one stock form and with some minor mods, a slayer of other giants on track.
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You guys miss my point.
It used to be, that no other manufacturer besides the one in Stuttgart can compete with BMW on the twisty stuff. You’d have to step way up onto the exotic level for anything that would put a BMW, ANY BMW, to shame on track. Now a days a f**king $35k Honda with decent tires will give the best ///M has a run for its money. HONDA. And Toyot. Brands we used to make fun of as appliances on wheels. Making your average BMW look BAD. Not to mention Chevys and Fords besting the halo BMWs. And we’re not even talking about the ZR1 and the GT. Even just 10 years ago if you tell me a Mustang is a better track car than a BMW M3, I’d tell you you’re nuts and the world is about to end, because that is for SURE the final sign of the apocalypse. Sure enough, the GT350/350R/500 are ALL better than the latest M3/4 on track. This used to be inconceivable. The dilution of the brand is complete, you want a REAL enthusiast car? BMW won’t be the first brand I’d look at. Again, lifetime BMW CCA member and owner of more than a dozen BMWs in the last 25 years talking here.
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The 'real M' fan boys wouldn't like this the B58 equipped supra (just like in in m240i and m340i) just dusted M2c at Laguna seca driven back to back by Randy Pobst. With the same guy on the same track m850i faster than M2c stock for stock on the same day. Another poster mentioned M850i even faster on Laguna Seca than F90 M5
Guys that track superiority may not be always true
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02-02-2020, 12:33 AM | #849 | |
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The M850i is in a different league than an M2. I can hit triple digits quite easily in an M850i. It's a rocket. "Dusted" isn't a word I would use for 0.3s. Also, Supra weighs less and has a lower center of gravity. It's a sports car. The M2 is still a sports coupe, there is a small but significant difference. I'm pretty sure the S58 in the G80 will be far superior to the B58 in the G20.
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02-02-2020, 03:53 AM | #850 | |
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I'm not saying the M340i isn't a great car. It absolutely is. But an M car has always had unique body panels and unique suspension geometry (significantly unique, not just a slightly revised strut). The F80 also had standard Merino leather and a bunch of interior differences. The M340i basically has the same interior as any other M Sport car. Who cares if it's a real M car or not? I don't think it is, but that doesn't make it any less of a car. It's a great car. In fact, I'd prefer the M340i if I could get it in a manual. Hands down. But I wouldn't consider it an M car. It just isn't. |
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I wasn't trying to steal your [COLOR="DarkRed"]M[/COLOR] sunshine, just stating that fact that regular BMW comes with an LSD standard now, takes away the whole appeal of an officially marketed M car, IMHO. That was my point and once again, the M340i is not an official M car but it's an excellent performing vehicle, standing on its own and sans its whatever embleming is on the trunk. The end. |
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You kept implying M cars are so great, why? It's just a machine with parts working in unison. So tell me, what now makes an M car so superior beside the bragging rights? |
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How so? It seats 4+. Has a trunk AND a frunk. You NEVER have to fill up at a gas station.
It is the sheer definition of PRACTICALITY. Unless you regularly drive 200+ miles each way for commute, it doesn’t get much better than a Tesla 3 with autopilot.
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I'll say it again, if the M340i came in a manual, I'd definitely be buying one. But my next car will probably be the G80 because of the transmission alone. Last edited by upsidedownfunnel; 02-02-2020 at 10:39 PM.. |
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Those are all good but we were talking about the track weren't we?
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What's nice about adding M to the M340i is that customers can now feel they have an M car without compromising luxury and convenience. Plus it's cheaper! It can reach a broader audience who couldn't previously afford the price of admission to the "M Club". The old eMvy (get it?) is now gone. Now M340i owners can look down on the 330i owners just like the M owners used to look down on the 340i owners! Lol, I kid but sadly there's probably more truth to this than we would care to admit. I think this video sums it up nicely at the end: What I don't really understand is, now that the new M340i owners are in the M Club, they want to take a shit on what made the M club special in the first place: the M cars. That's just human nature I guess.
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