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Everyone has (probably rightly) mad their 'SUV' slippery as a wedge and with low ride height. The Rivian looks pretty old school SUV size and weight a capability. TBF cybertruck will be similar.
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I've just had a look at the above video and it got me thinking back to the days when I used to work for a living and some of the daily commutes I used to do. In a Regional role I quite often did round trips of over 200 miles in a day and, while a chunk of the driving was on motorways and/or dual carriageways, the location of most of our operating sites meant a fair bit of the driving was also on give and take A-roads across to places like Cumbria or Northumberland (and even on occasion just over the border into Scotland which was a round trip of roughly 250 miles).
The range of the Model Y seemed to be around 250 miles although if I understood correctly that was based on only an 80% charge - no idea why you wouldn't charge to 100% but there's presumably a reason for that as 80% also seemed to be the target when they did the second charge! However, from what I could see the driving was pretty sedate and that got me wondering what more enthusiastic motoring would do to the range? For instance, what would it look like if you were doing high 70's/low 80's on the motorway (as opposed to 70) and making progress across quite hilly A-roads? Could be wrong but I'm guessing on some of the trips I used to do I'd be needing a top-up charge to be sure of getting home and that potentially wouldn't be very convenient given most of the operating sites were out in the sticks and probably nowhere near a fast charging point! In truth an EV would probably work for me with my current mileage profile but, unless my old employer has installed charging points at their operating sites, I don't think I'd entertain one if I was still doing my old job. Ok, I admit to being a bit of a chicken with these things but there's no way I'd want to be out in the middle of nowhere and having to eek out battery life to get to a charging point! |
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I'm not sure a few quid in my pocket would be enough to overcome my range anxiety if I was regularly doing over 200 miles a day but in reality it's hypothetical as I don't ever see me being in that situation again. But I don't see me moving to an EV unless and until the charging network is much better than it is at the moment - in the meantime I'm more than happy to stick with my ICE car! |
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If I had a trip to Edinburgh and back on the cards you would charge to 100% before leaving. (It would help to have a ca that's capable of 350+ miles out the box). You would use the Invar say nav and it would suggest which services aka Superchargers to stop at for 20/30minutes to top up at a considerable range per minute. No this is not technically as quick as a petrol fill up, but once at that speed of charge it doesn't need to be. Everyone should be ok with that stop on the way to Edinburgh from say North Wales. Golf course exactly what you describe is range anxiety. How often will you travel that far, Joe likely you are to fail at the charge point and how quickly the car charges are all factors to mitigate that. If you have 10 minutes it could be worth watching some people's trips form Manchester to Cornwall and back etc for a holiday. (Not quite as dull as it sounds). It's not 100 convenient IMO yet. It's not terrifying anymore though. Only the Tesla supercharge network makes this possible. Every other network seems a huge risk if the chargers will work or be busy. This if ever, or once l, you are onboard with one of the Tesla designs, it finally ca n feasible. I love a lot of other EVs, especially the EV6 and ioniq5 and maybe the M50i but they are only good for near home. Not a work car option for me as their network is so completely random as per any Shme150 video. Finally some batteries are ok with charging all the way to 100% with I think iron on them replacing much of the nickel, as per the revised Standard Range Model3 so…nothing is simple and it's best to research a lot more than an ICE car!
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Do you not think the Network of Tesla super chargers is going to get a lot busier given the number of Model 3 being sold. That could start to cause availability issues.
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Rarely full at the moment but it's always expanding too.
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JustChris s It really sounds like you at a point where you just need to own an EV. It really isn't that scary or worrying, at the end of the day its just a car if you don't like it just chop it in. We are all use to changing out of cars we don't like .
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Another Tesla advantage - the inbuilt Nav can tell you how many bays are available at each Supercharger location, and give you the option of navigating to a different one (if within range) Even if they fill up just as you arrive you'll be unlikely to wait long for a bay given how fast Tesla's can charge.
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There are apps that do the same for regular chargers as well. You can tell how many bays are occupied and when someone started to charge to give some gauge on when they may come free.
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Went to the EV6 launch this evening and have to say I was very impressed. It’s a LOT bigger than it looks in pictures, almost the same footprint as an X3 but because it’s lower and quite muscular looking it carries its size well. I particularly liked the clamshell bonnet that makes it look like it's sneering/snarling from the side, and the rear haunches add a real air of purpose.
The matte grey is lovely looking - in a showroom - but I think it would be a nightmare to keep looking as good in a Scottish winter. Interior was very well put together, quality as good as BMW or MB if a few steps behind Audi. Stepping into the X3 afterwards briefly felt like going back a few generations in terms of tech. The EV6 is very Enterprise-esque and feels more grown up than the slightly cartoonish Ioniq 5. There are a few areas of the lower plastics that feel a bit cheap but otherwise not a bad effort. Driving position was good for me at 5’ 9” with tons of room behind. Only niggle there is with the front seats at their lowest height, there is literally no room for back seat passengers feet under the front seats. The other thing the EV lacks and the Ioniq has, is the ability to slide the back seats forwards to increase load space. Handy if you're carrying small children or Douglas Bader.... Rear is slightly claustrophobic with the dark interior and privacy glass, but I believe the higher spec UK models will get a sunroof as standard so that might help. Compared to the X3 the boot space is a lot smaller. The way the rear 3/4 curves round looks good, but it makes the hatch entry a bit narrow and with the raised floor height at the back it’s not that roomy. That said with the seats down it’s every bit as long as the X3 if not as high overall. Not a deal breaker for me as I could count on one hand the number of times we’ve needed the full capacity of the BMW. The only niggle there would be the inability to use the tailgate as a perch after a swim. The other thing I noticed is that the lovely swoopy rear light cluster leaves a rather pointy bit of the assembly very exposed at the tailgate entry when it's open - you'd need to be careful loading bulkier or hard objects as I can see it getting clipped & damaged really easily. The tailgate has no wiper, but has slots in the spoiler presumably to use airflow to clear the rear screen. Not sure if that will be effective enough in winter. All in all a pretty impressive package, Kia have certainly shown the big boys they’re willing to push up into the premium sector. I’ve got a test drive booked in the next few weeks so will let you know what it feels like on the road. Aiming to get myself into the quickest AWD version if it’s available to drive. Last edited by Blacktemplar; 09-15-2021 at 03:30 AM.. |
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That EV6 looks fantastic in that colour.
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If I was in the market right now for our next family car, and pure EV, the EV6 is pretty much the only car I'd consider.
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The back seats feel a bit claustrophobic by comparison, largely due to the rising window line and very chunky C-pillar. Rear view is not good to be honest, and you'll need all the camera/parking tech in that regard to avoid bumps. RRP on the iX3 MSport Pro is a fairly hefty £63K, and as you say it's 2WD. The EV-6 in GT-Line S AWD guise is under £53K with the matte paint job, and has all the tech (and more) that the X3 has, is much quicker than the X3, charges more rapidly, has a 7-year warranty and looks a lot better IMO. Where I think Kia will struggle a little may be with their financing. At the moment, the longest PCP term is 3 years, and with no dealer support at this stage monthlies are pretty hefty for the top-end models. Hyundai by contrast offer 4-year PCP's which will make the monthlies (if not the whole-life cost) more attractive to many. |
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Finally watched the carwow video of this. Thought it looked OK, although still not convinced about the back / roofline. However, I was less impressed with read seat and boot space, especially given the size of the car.
Looks like the IONIQ is more practical, although not a fan of the interior |
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