[clarence]

Originally Posted by BavarianFanatic

Part number and approx. prices:

Front:
Left Caliper - 34116799469 $580
Right Caliper - 34116799470 $580
Rotors - 34106797606 (x2) $240 ea.

Rear:
Left Caliper - 34216799461 $450
Right Caliper - 34216799462 $450
Rotors - 34206797607 (x2) $150 ea.


Total Cost (assuming calipers come loaded) : $2,840

These are the M Sport brakes, not the M Performance brakes. Hardly worth it in my opinion!

For US/CDN-spec 335i M-sport brakes are identical to M-Performance brakes apart from the slotted discs.

[bmrm396]

And if u get a 335 the front setup is already in place just paint it blue - so all u really gotta do is fix the rear setup.

[Remonster]

Sadly my CA was mistaken she just emailed me the price and I found out she was thinking of the M Performance dealer-installed kit that we all know about (either $2,300 or $2,800, I forgot which) so the M Sport brake upgrade which is installed at the factory is not available in the US.

[BavarianFanatic]

Originally Posted by clarence

For US/CDN-spec 335i M-sport brakes are identical to M-Performance brakes apart from the slotted discs.

That's correct. I included the pricing for the larger, non-slotted rotors. I believe the slotted are more. The point is it's not particularly reasonable to build a "kit" yourself when it'll cost more than the one that's already offered (assuming you can live with a color other than blue).

BTW - I too confirmed yesterday with my CA that the brakes are not in the order bank for the US. I guess BMWNA was decided to try to get a few more $$$ from us for the M Performance kit.

[bmrm396]

No they are not. The rear rotors are larger on the performance brakes and they're fixed piston calipers. Not the same ...

[DerekS]

Originally Posted by bmrm396

And if u get a 335 the front setup is already in place just paint it blue - so all u really gotta do is fix the rear setup.

With the M Sport brakes option installed, it is no longer possible to fit 17" wheels on the front axles of a F30-335i. Why ? The M Sport brake front rotors (as well as the rear ones) are larger diameter than the regular ones. If you were able to compare two cars side by side, one with the regular 335i brakes and the other with M Sport brakes, the difference in rotor sizes is immediately apparent, both front and rear.
I was able to make this observation yesterday in my dealer's showroom. The M Sport brake rotors look huge compared to those on a regular F30-335i.

[martinf79]

Originally Posted by bmrm396

No they are not. The rear rotors are larger on the performance brakes and they're fixed piston calipers. Not the same ...

M Sport Brakes rear rotors are the SAME size as the M Performance - they are just not drilled/slotted.

[jsedlak]

So for US, there is no difference between M Sport brakes and M Performance brakes?

How does that make any sense? The M Performance aren't even available in blue...

[martinf79]

Originally Posted by jsedlak

So for US, there is no difference between M Sport brakes and M Performance brakes?

How does that make any sense? The M Performance aren't even available in blue...

M Sport Brakes are not an option in the US - so not really sure what your question is???

You have one option - M Performance Brakes (which is essentially the same setup as M Sport Brakes... only w/ Slotted/Drilled rotors and not in blue).... and it will cost you a lot more money ... what's to not understand??? ...

[bmrm396]

Originally Posted by martinf79

M Sport Brakes rear rotors are the SAME size as the M Performance - they are just not drilled/slotted.

Correct. Thought u were talkin stock 335 compared to msport brakes ...

[bmrm396]

This is gettin ridiculous and only confusin people further. If you don't understand check out the first page of the F30 Msport sticky - that displays and lists the info and differences for all. The answer u need is there.

[jsedlak]

Originally Posted by martinf79

M Sport Brakes are not an option in the US - so not really sure what your question is???

You have one option - M Performance Brakes (which is essentially the same setup as M Sport Brakes... only w/ Slotted/Drilled rotors and not in blue).... and it will cost you a lot more money ... what's to not understand??? ...

So as I understand it...

Canada, 335i M-Sport has...
- Standard (upgraded relative non m-sport)
- M-Sport Brake Upgrade Option
- M-Performance Brake Upgrade Option (includes slotted/drilled rotors, lack of blue)

US, 335i M-Sport has...
- Standard (upgraded relative to non m-sport)
- M-Performance Brake Upgrade Option (bigger, slotted/drilled, rear discs)

The confusion, for me, is that you keep calling the brakes M-Sport with no indication of whether or not they are standard on the US 335i M-Sport.

[martinf79]

Originally Posted by jsedlak

So as I understand it...

Canada, 335i M-Sport has...
- Standard (upgraded relative non m-sport)
- M-Sport Brake Upgrade Option
- M-Performance Brake Upgrade Option (includes slotted/drilled rotors, lack of blue)

US, 335i M-Sport has...
- Standard (upgraded relative to non m-sport)
- M-Performance Brake Upgrade Option (bigger, slotted/drilled, rear discs)

The confusion, for me, is that you keep calling the brakes M-Sport with no indication of whether or not they are standard on the US 335i M-Sport.

Dude - this entire thread has discussed the fact that the M Sport breaks are not available in the US. I don't think that fact needs to be stated in every response (pls read the thread). M Sport are different than M Performance - that has been stated countless times ...

[martinf79]

Originally Posted by jsedlak

So as I understand it...

Canada, 335i M-Sport has...
- Standard (upgraded relative non m-sport)
- M-Sport Brake Upgrade Option
- M-Performance Brake Upgrade Option (includes slotted/drilled rotors, lack of blue)

US, 335i M-Sport has...
- Standard (upgraded relative to non m-sport)
- M-Performance Brake Upgrade Option (bigger, slotted/drilled, rear discs)

The confusion, for me, is that you keep calling the brakes M-Sport with no indication of whether or not they are standard on the US 335i M-Sport.

Canada M Sport
- Standard (same as US 335i brakes)

- M-Sport Brake Upgrade Option ($350 Upgrade Option - bigger rear rotor + upgraded rear caliper + blue caliper colour)

- M-Performance Brake Upgrade Option (replaces entire stock setup - like $3K... is essentially same setup to M Sport Brake setup above + only difference is it includes drilled/slotted rotors)

US, 335i M-Sport has...
- Standard (same 335i Stock setup as Canada)
- M-Performance Brake Upgrade Option (replaces entire stock setup - like $3K... is essentially the same setup as M Sport Brake setup for Canada + only difference is it includes drilled/slotted rotors)

[jsedlak]

Thank you, it makes sense, although I would still question why you get most of the M Perf upgrade for only $350.

[bmrm396]

^^^ ya it's an awesome deal that's y I'm bitching that its not avail to us in the US

[BavarianFanatic]

Ugh. Can someone please close, delete, burn this thread? Add a definitive sticky that indicates there's no way in hell anyone in the US is going to get the M Sport brakes. It's seems everything that's floating around is inconclusive and/or full of all sorts of confusion.

[martinf79]

Originally Posted by jsedlak

Thank you, it makes sense, although I would still question why you get most of the M Perf upgrade for only $350.

BECAUSE - Canada is only upgrading a few comonents... the incremental cost of a slightly larger rotor vs. the stock one is nominal. Same goes for the different caliper. All other parts are the same (but blue). So $350 is reasonable for slightly upgraded parts.

You (US) are swapping out - ie. replacing your entire braking system. You are essentially buying a second set of brakes to replace your stock one w the M Performance setup ... where are I am only paying a bit more to upgrade a few parts. That is why your cost of an "upgrade" is a lot more, because you are in essence buying a second set of brakes.

I can't explain this any more simply ... if you don't get it... I can't dumb it down anymore.

Sorry

[MaestroAl]

Originally Posted by bmrm396

^^^ ya it's an awesome deal that's y I'm bitching that its not avail to us in the US

And the UK! I'd have snapped that up for £200 Oh, and it can't be the same setup as the M Performance kit. I don't see Brembo being talked about with the M Sport brakes. there's no way the exact same parts are $2000 dollars different for 4 discs which maybe cost $1000 at most. That would be mental. Has anyone actually checked part numbers and stuff for M Sport Vs M Performance callipers, brake hoses and all the rest of the kit?

[martinf79]

Originally Posted by MaestroAl

And the UK! I'd have snapped that up for £200 Oh, and it can't be the same setup as the M Performance kit. I don't see Brembo being talked about with the M Sport brakes. there's no way the exact same parts are $2000 dollars different for 4 discs which maybe cost $1000 at most. That would be mental. Has anyone actually checked part numbers and stuff for M Sport Vs M Performance callipers, brake hoses and all the rest of the kit?

OMG!!!! The M Performance rotors alone are $1000 (drilled/slotted)!! and these are NOT included in teh M Sport Brake option.

The other $1000 you're referencing are the calipers ... and you just answered your question... they are about $1000 to replace (w/ a yellow, orange, red colour in the M Performace Package)...

= $2000

My god ... this isn't that difficult. I'm trying to force myself not to respond ... but gawwwdddd.... it seems so basic to me. You guys don't have an "upgrade" option, so you're absorbing the cost through a compltely net new purchase????

[MaestroAl]

I suddenly find myself disliking you

[martinf79]

Originally Posted by MaestroAl

I suddenly find myself disliking you

lol ... I'm not trying to be a prick ... but I'm finding my patience to explain (i.e help/inform) others on the same topic that I've already explained exhausting.