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Boxter I might disagree on, It's made a little too soft and unsporty for the guy that just wants to own a porsche to drive around town.
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01-04-2012, 12:13 PM | #68 | |
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Are you seriously contending the 1M is not a true M? Wow. Nothing more to say to your lack of credibility. .
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01-04-2012, 12:24 PM | #69 | |
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Did you seriously think it's a true M car? True M cars simply borrow the chassis of the car they inhabit, usually even modifying that. Usually even the suspension is even heavily modified. You car has barely any true operating difference from its donor car. It's a badge.
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A convertible is a compromise. I'm sorry to break that to you. Quote:
Ok. I'll ignore the delusional comment and highlight your point regarding the Corvette. This may be the best litmus test to illustrate my point. Let's break this down: 1) The Corvette is a sports car. 2) The Corvette convertible is a lesser version of the Corvette in terms of rigidity, balance and weight. Its first priority is not to performance, but to let the wind blow through your hair. A nice benefit when touring. 1) There is no Z4 hardtop offering presently, and thus a vacuum in the BMW line. 2) The convertible Z4 is a lesser version of that vacuum. It is the vacuum I take issue with... not the merits of the very nice Z4 convertible. Are you comprendo-ing me now? .
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01-04-2012, 12:48 PM | #71 | |
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This is not exactly right. Toyota's new CEO is a sportscar enthusiast, and thanks to him today we have the worlds top supercar, the Lexus LF-A, and the worlds entry level lightweight sportscar, the Toytoa GT-86. And this is only the beginning. If the succes goes well thanks to the true enthusiasts, then some other cars may get added like MR-2 and Supra. The new Lexus GS is very promissing, so as the upcoming Lexus SC. And the Lexus IS-F has had some very good updates. And what happens if the next IS-F will still keep a NA V8 with D4-S when the next M3 get a turboed I6? So to correct what you said, BMW wants to be like what Lexus was, and Lexus is becoming the new BMW. |
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01-04-2012, 12:53 PM | #72 | |
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I now see where you're coming from... you're lacking in knowledge and awareness. There's a word for that, but it would just be too harsh. .
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01-04-2012, 01:00 PM | #74 | |
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We agree on these points, with the exception that I still believe a sports car can have compromises, the simple fact that it is built to be road legal is a compromise itself and what differentiates it from a race car. The difference is where you draw the line on how much compromise makes it no longer a sports car. By your definition any car with sound deadening is not a sports car, or carpet or anything else. You said completely uncompromising, by definition a sports car must compromise. But I don't feel like discussing this further with you, it's a dumb argument.
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01-04-2012, 01:05 PM | #75 | |
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You're right about that. The list was of convertibles versions of those models. My bad. I corrected the original list. Of course, the hardtop versions are true sports cars. I also agree that this argument is played out. Good sparring with you. .
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01-04-2012, 01:11 PM | #76 | |
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And for the record my colorful language was merely a metaphor and not a name-call in any way. .
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N54 engine....thats all Im saying. |
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01-05-2012, 02:21 AM | #82 | |
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I've had an E46 M3 for 3 years(S54 engine), I've driven a Z4M, I've had a E90 M3 V8 for two years, and I've driven Advevo's 1M. If you find one , go and drive a stock E30 M3, feel the crisp steering, the fine roadholding and the lame engine. After the E46 M3 I got a 335i E90 6Mt, graet engine as well. Then I drove the Z4M to go back to that //M feeling I was hoping for. I won't do that again, it was a cultureshock. The highrevving is great, but the car also needs to accellerate fast(er) than that 335i, and it didn't actually. (My N54 335i also had 330/340HP stock I guess) . Anyway, you know that BMW came out with the 2002 Turbo and the BMW Turbo prototype(1972) YEARS before the M1(great car, BMW's true supercar) and E30 M3 came out? BMW always has been a turbo pioneer. And it shows with the 1M. It's a true M just as the F10 M5 is. I've ordered the F30 335i 6MT, but if I didn't have any kids there would be a 1M in my garage. It's a blast. Last edited by Robin_NL; 01-05-2012 at 02:27 AM.. |
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There are two atmo M cars I really love. A M3 CSL and a 1999/2000 M Coupé.
The problem is, they are already exhibited here at the Rijksmuseum near Rembrandt's Nightwatch |
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01-05-2012, 10:06 AM | #86 | |
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There's ///M cars, then there's "M" cars, then there's the 1M. Sorry.
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01-05-2012, 12:14 PM | #87 | |
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Why is the S62 questionable? Because it doesn't rev high enough? The stock E30 M3 engine only reached 7000rpm as well. Just like a N54/55.... I never stated the N54 is an //M engine in the first place, it's a better engine than many of the //M engines for sure, but not an //M engine, agreed. I stated that the 1M is a true 'M'. 100%. But to each their own. I'd choose the 1M in a heartbeat vs the Z4M, because it's not only faster on a track/bends, but in a straight line as well. What's the fuzz? I don't care about //M engine or not. The engine does its work very very well. THAT's what counts. It's the whole package. And the thrills/experience of it. Cheers Robin |
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01-05-2012, 12:24 PM | #88 |
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BMW is not loosing the plot cause they don't have a supercar, it is loosing the plot because its main stream cars are going soft. The sad irony is now they will probably need a supercar to maintain some faux "sporty" image like some other manufacturer's. |
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