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M3 = not mileage efficient enough to be practical for a daily driver and finally Manual = not practical for LA traffic (drive a stick for 2 hrs each way in stop and go???) |
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06-11-2013, 09:15 PM | #68 |
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8Auto was in the test drive 335i sport I drove. With the padde shifters it was fun to drive for the novelty.
I ended up going 6MT and have never looked back.
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06-11-2013, 09:22 PM | #70 |
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If things continue on the current track, I don't think you'll have much say in the matter. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm fairly prescient on things like that.
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I prefer manuals just because I do for any number of reasons. But I know their day has come and is now waning into the dreary night of automatic transmissions. It is what it is, and what it is, is progress. Will I buy another manual? I might, but being over 50, and knowing I'll be 60, or close to it, when I replace my E92, I doubt it. I can get by without the fun. Even now, a car is mostly just transportation to me. That said, sure, once in a while, I still kick it down to 2nd gear and take off like a bat outta hell; it's fun. But I don't do that anywhere near as often as I used to.
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If you were to write down all the things you say now that you'll never do for whatever reason, and 25 years from now (assuming you are at least 25 now) look at that list of things you'd never have done, you'll find that you indeed have done some of them, in spite of the conditions under which you would have never have done them existing. Buying an automatic transmission car is one of those things I suspect you'll have done come that time. I know it's not possible for you to know what I'm saying to be true, and I know it's unlikely you'll believe me when I say it is true. But I'm right, and in 25 years, you'll know that too.
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06-11-2013, 09:47 PM | #73 | |
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There are degrees to things that mean something. You can greet a stranger with a handshake, a friend with a hug, a girlfriend with a kiss and so on. These are degrees of human interaction. You can drive a car by putting it into drive, toggling it up and down through paddles or select each gear and depress a clutch pedal as you do. Again, degrees of interaction.
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06-11-2013, 09:51 PM | #74 | |
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If one is committed to something, they will find a way to make it work. I think if you were determined to do so, you could drive a manual in L.A. Of course you aren't so inclined, so you won't, and that's fine too.
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Not exactly a fair comparison. But if you prefer to use that analogy, an auto transmission is like listening to a CD. Manual is more like being there at the live concert where all your senses are immersed and engaged in the experience, not just your ears. Are you hearing the same tune in both cases, sure. Same experience ... ? |
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MT vs. AT, what I see is the guys who like MT ail pretty much admit the AT will shift faster etc., but us MT folk like it for what it is. And maybe you AT Fanboys really can't drive a manual. But that's another thread
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By sharing that, all I mean is that there's place and a need to preserve some things old. Now, I don't know if manual transmissions in consumer cars deserve such a place, but if they do, the place will be there for them.
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Having now read through more of this thread, I have to say I really think the OP was just seeking some amusement. S/he's not new to Bimmerpost and I think s/he knew damn well the can of worms being opened by starting this thread. That said, even if the OP wasn't seeking some amusement, I find reading and responding to be amusing, so TY, OP. LOL
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I adore manuals. 5 out of 7 of my 3 series have been manuals. Ill probably get another. I have to admit though I love the sport 8at. I am a diehard manual guy who's living with an auto because of children for now. This is why I've literally never used the car in auto. It drives me nuts. Car is in full manual every single day I drive it. The computer doesn't take over ever in sport+ and traction off. It's a perfect compromise. The tranny is truly awesome for a driving enthusiast. End of my story.
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Funny to read the debates about MT being for enthusiasts and AT for others. As a typical European folk, I've never owned an AT car until my brand new F30 with AT.
Indeed, I was first going to order a MT, just as usual. I already drove some AT during some trips to US or the Middle East, but I always found out that those cars shifted gears in a way that I disliked. But.. When I test drove the F30, there was only an AT available at the dealer's, and I have to say that unlike older ones, this transmission shift gears better than I do, despite years and years of experience with MT. So I spent an additional 2,200€ to order it. My local dealer thinks that true enthusiasts order the AT. That must be due to the cultural difference : owning an AT here is considered as rare and cool, which is, I guess, the opposite in North America |
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I love manual mode for the AT gearbox. I never and I mean never let the car drive itself because even without it is still more satisfying to tell the car when to shift as oppose to let the car decide when and where to shift.
What I am amazed is the ZF sport transmission puts a DCT made about 4 years ago to shame. It makes me wonder if the AT can make a comeback to take on the DCT. Now if the current AT was like the old AT in the E90s this wouldn't be a debate. What I would like to know is what does the hp loss looks like from the 8 speed AT vs the 6speed MT. |
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There is also usually a weight difference too, the 8spd weighting 25-60lbs more.
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I didn't say it would, just something to consider. People are sometimes obsessed with weight, maybe not ordering a sunroof for the added 50lbs, people who strip the trunk for a track day to save the weight, to those individuals, the trans difference is more meaningful.
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